RE: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP

["Dominik Filipp" <dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx>]

Roberto,

I am deeply disappointed by this your post. Do you really think there
has not been enough facts and evidence provided here worth listening to
and being seriously considered? The GA is primarily a mailing list, not
a survey, not a straw poll or any similar executive body with such
authority legitimately granted or delegated. Collecting and hunting for
consensus, initiating and organizing surveys and straw polls is
therefore not the major task of mailing lists in the first place.
Providing the GNSO with thoughts, ideas, facts and evidence is the task
of the GA list in the first place.
Sure, the GA is a standard mailing list and different people with
different opinions, attitudes and motivations can subscribe here. But it
is the duty of the GNSO to extract valuable ideas from the
contributions. Saying that the comments collected on the GA are not
worth considering for any other reason but the lack of evidence provided
just proves incapability to cope with real bottom-up process with all
its natural difficulties.

I and some others here on the GA are struggling to collect facts and
evidence and to elaborate on the issue considering those facts. This can
be proven by number of posts sent on the list recently. Just read the
recent posts sent on the GA and other domain tasting related mailing
lists. And I am expecting similarly exact responses based on facts and
evidence and not on wishes, feelings, impressions, and hidden intents.

We DO have a survey result regarding the AGP concept. The result of the
official survey conducted directly by the GNSO in the beginning of the
first comment period on Domain Tasting issue. The result that clearly
demonstrates a major public interest in eliminating the AGP. The result
that has not been seriously considered and discussed in the GNSO yet!
What would you then expect from us?

To be perfectly honest, Roberto, I have absolutely no idea what you are
talking about.

Dominik


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Roberto Gaetano
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 12:33 AM
To: chris@xxxxxx; 'Ross Rader'
Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP


> 
> Ross the GA doesn't get taken seriously because bottom up consensus 
> means nothing to ICANN or the registries who tell ICANN what to do. It

> doesn't get taken seriously unless we all agree with what the 
> registries and ICANN BoD members and staff are saying.

I don't know why others do not take seriously the GA, there might be
plenty of reasons.
Mine is simply that I cannot take seriously a group where if four people
shout louder, affirming there's consensus on something (like for
instance the elimination altogether of the AGP to fix a problem that is
a different one) this has to be taken as gospel, even if other people on
the same list have argued different things.
To me, you have consensus when there's a debate where people try to
converge instead of talking past eachother, when there's a chairperson
that coordinates the debate, and maybe call for straw polls to get the
sense of the room (in the figured sense), when there's an interaction
instead of a repetition of the same mantra by a tiny part of the
assembly.
Failing this attempt to get some sort of agreement, there is nothing
worthed being listened to.

> 
> The fact that it is not taken seriously is solid proof of ICANN 
> failing to meet it's mission altogether.

And, pray tell, on a scale from 1 to 10, how would you rate the
performance of the GA?

Cheers,
Roberto