Re: [ga] RE: GA irrelevant

[Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>]

Hi,

Non commercial registrants don't need a miracle.  The Noncommercial Stakeholder 
Group (NCSG) already allows for individual noncommercial registrants to apply 
for membership.  

As for commercial registrants, I do not know the answer.

In the newly reconstructed GNSO, however, there is no easy path for a 
registrant's group that does not differentiate between commercial registrants 
and noncommercial registrants.  That would require a miracle.

a.



On 25 May 2010, at 17:10, Roberto Gaetano wrote:

> 
> Karl,
> 
>> 
>> I'm not familiar with that joke .. (that's a slight nudge to 
>> get you to tell us. ;-)
> 
> Sure. But it needs a bit of explanation of the cultural environment in
> Naples.
> You might know that in Naples the most important saint is San Gennaro, who
> is believed to make miracles. And that people in Naples are known for
> playing games like "Lotto", where you have to guess the numbers that will be
> extracted, and if your guess is correct, you win x times what you have bid.
> So, a guy prays San Gennaro to win at the "Lotto", and he does that
> continuously, for several weeks. One day, he complains bitterly to the
> Saint, reproaching him that he never made the miracle to let him win, and
> suggesting that after all he was not that good as a Saint. At this point,
> San Gennaro was a bit fed up, and replied: "You could at least play once!".
> 
> The point was that we can reproach the Board for not approving a Registrants
> constituency, but maybe we should at least write a charter before
> complaining.
> 
> 
>> 
>> (I imagine you reading this having a cup of good coffee while 
>> enjoying the kind of nice spring weather we are having here 
>> on the edge of the
>> Pacific.)
> 
> Not at all. Winter is still the owner of the place here in Vienna.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Getting down to business..
> 
> I see your point that registrants who are not domain owners are also a
> proper constituency.
> I fully agree. However, the way I see it, there is a matter of priority. The
> policy for the deployment of new TLDs is being decided now, and registrants
> are, IMHO, more impacted than users, and should be acting now.
> This said, there is nothing that prevents both groups to create
> constituencies, what I would not advise is to wait to form one until the
> other is also ready, because to wait will not help anybody.
> I skip the parts on which we have some agreement to go to the one on which
> we disagree:
> 
>> 
>> The board of directors of ICANN need not wait for a concrete 
>> proposal; rather it could write a simple resolution that 
>> recognizes that domain name registrants appear 
>> under-represent within ICANN, expresses a corporate desire to 
>> remedy that under-representation, and says that it desires 
>> concrete proposals, each accompanied by a roster of 
>> supporters, to be submitted for board consideration by 
>> such-and-such a date.
> 
> In theory, you are perfectly correct.
> However, in practice, we do have a process now to establish a constituency
> in the GNSO, which foresees the compilation of a charter and the
> presentation of a petition. If registrants (or plain users) do not do this,
> I would argue that we are in a situation similar to the one of asking San
> Gennaro to win at the Lotto without even playing...
> 
> ;>)
> 
> Roberto
> 
> 
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