Re: AW: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting

[William Drake <william.drake@xxxxxx>]

Hi Wolf-Ulrich,

Thanks for the clarification.  I readily admit to finding English a very 
confusing language…

Best,

Bill

On Jun 16, 2011, at 12:17 AM, <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Bill,
>  
> now I understand that my English may have confused you. I was writing about 
> the "GNSO position within this process..." meaning the process of developing 
> the motion. It was my personal opinion and not meaning that Stéphane's 
> comment was the GNSO's position.
>  
> Sorry if I mislead you.
>  
> Kind regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
> 
> Von: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx] 
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2011 17:49
> An: William Drake
> Cc: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; GNSO Council List; Touray, Katim; Graham, Bill; Rita 
> Johnston Rodin; Bruce Tonkin; "Géry de Saint, Glen"; Carlton SAMUELS A; Rafik 
> Dammak; Crepin-Leblond, Olivier; ICANN (Internal) list ALAC; Karla Valente; 
> gacsec@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Betreff: Re: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / 
> JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
> 
> Thanks for clarifying Bill.
> 
> I think we can agree that we agree ;)
> 
> Can I say "please no" to your suggestion for a month-long debate? ;))
> 
> Stéphane
> 
> 
> 
> Le 15 juin 2011 à 16:49, William Drake a écrit :
> 
>> Hi Stéphane
>> 
>> Right, I didn't question that it was a personal statement, and indeed I 
>> noted that in the first sentence of my reply.  I was responding to 
>> Wolf-Ulrich's message saying you'd made clear "the GNSO position" and simply 
>> underscoring that there's no singular view in the Council.  So can we agree 
>> that we agree, or shall we have a month long Council debate on the 
>> procedures to be followed in determining whether we agree? :-)
>> 
>> Onward and upward,
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
>> 
>>> Bill,
>>> 
>>> My message was a personal response and clearly marked in this way.
>>> 
>>> You are absolutely right that it should in no way be construed as a GNSO 
>>> position.
>>> 
>>> But to be honest, I think that was very clearly stated in my message.
>>> 
>>> Stéphane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 15 juin 2011 à 03:14, William Drake a écrit :
>>> 
>>>> Hi
>>>> 
>>>> While one can differ with the some of the word choices in the message to 
>>>> which Stéphane has responded in his personal capacity, it should be noted 
>>>> that the sort of optical concerns that were raised are share among at 
>>>> least some in Council who've supported the JAS effort.  As such, I would 
>>>> not characterize the situation as there being a singular "GNSO position" 
>>>> on this.  There's a majority view and there's a minority view, not full 
>>>> consensus, and I hope we can keep that clear in future references to the 
>>>> matter.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 2011, at 6:57 PM, <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Stéphane,
>>>>>  
>>>>> I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within 
>>>>> this process very clear!
>>>>>  
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>> 
>>>>> Von: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
>>>>> Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48
>>>>> An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin 
>>>>> Johnston; Bruce Tonkin
>>>>> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; 
>>>>> Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ 
>>>>> Crepin-Leblond
>>>>> Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS 
>>>>> WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Katim,
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is a personal reaction to your message.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating 
>>>>> that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way 
>>>>> you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone 
>>>>> Report.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our 
>>>>> SO is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. 
>>>>> Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was 
>>>>> considered by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, 
>>>>> one of the GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. 
>>>>> We have a long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the 
>>>>> GNSO considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy 
>>>>> to say that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report 
>>>>> be put out for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the 
>>>>> Council.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your 
>>>>> duties as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to 
>>>>> respect its SOs and to uphold the processes under which they work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the 
>>>>> "entire process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD 
>>>>> applicants" is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also 
>>>>> a serious disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up 
>>>>> process is not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you 
>>>>> care strongly about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, 
>>>>> this does not justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to 
>>>>> "scuttle the process".
>>>>> 
>>>>> As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the 
>>>>> GAC, Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be 
>>>>> construed as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the 
>>>>> community of volunteers that the GNSO represents.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be 
>>>>> hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO 
>>>>> in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of 
>>>>> working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to 
>>>>> be a breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance 
>>>>> from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and 
>>>>> Board level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the 
>>>>> Board and the two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stéphane
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit :
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks so much for your invitation to the call.  I certainly was looking 
>>>>>> forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious 
>>>>>> conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.)  I am a consultant 
>>>>>> helping prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in 
>>>>>> The Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft 
>>>>>> plan I presented a few weeks back.  We were hoping to go through the 
>>>>>> entire document today, but we could not.  So we agreed to meet again 
>>>>>> tomorrow to complete our review of the draft document.  For this reason, 
>>>>>> I will not be available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most 
>>>>>> disappointed by this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow.  In 
>>>>>> addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive 
>>>>>> the proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD 
>>>>>> applicants get the support they need.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for 
>>>>>> the finalization of the JAS WG report.  While I agree that it will help 
>>>>>> to insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support 
>>>>>> through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to 
>>>>>> provide a timeline for the finalization of your report.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in 
>>>>>> acting on the JAS WG reports.  I fear such a situation might well be 
>>>>>> construed by many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process 
>>>>>> of seeking ways and means to provide support to needy new gTLD 
>>>>>> applicants.  One important product of such a perception would be that 
>>>>>> developing countries will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says 
>>>>>> (as the Board did in Nairobi last year) that it is interested in 
>>>>>> launching an inclusive new gTLD program.  I need not say that such a 
>>>>>> perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations with 
>>>>>> developing countries, and get them on our side on the many issues we'd 
>>>>>> like to have their support.  For this reason, I would like hear what 
>>>>>> suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress cannot be 
>>>>>> hijacked by inaction by any party.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your 
>>>>>> tireless and selfless efforts on this matter.  Again, I am very sorry I 
>>>>>> would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your 
>>>>>> deliberations.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Katim
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff 
>>>>>> <staff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO 
>>>>>> invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope 
>>>>>> you will be able to join us.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> PROPOSED AGENDA: 
>>>>>> Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch -  Highlights Second 
>>>>>> Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and 
>>>>>> specific summary points
>>>>>> Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) – JAS WG would like to 
>>>>>> listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC 
>>>>>> and Board members
>>>>>> Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels – Should there 
>>>>>> be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the 
>>>>>> Singapore ICANN Meeting?
>>>>>> As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could:
>>>>>> Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able 
>>>>>> to attend the  teleconference.
>>>>>> Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if 
>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ALAC Chair
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Dial-in details: Tuesday 14 June 2011 at 13:00 UTC
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>  
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>>>>>> 
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