Re: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting

[Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>]

Bill,

My message was a personal response and clearly marked in this way.

You are absolutely right that it should in no way be construed as a GNSO 
position.

But to be honest, I think that was very clearly stated in my message.

Stéphane



Le 15 juin 2011 à 03:14, William Drake a écrit :

> Hi
> 
> While one can differ with the some of the word choices in the message to 
> which Stéphane has responded in his personal capacity, it should be noted 
> that the sort of optical concerns that were raised are share among at least 
> some in Council who've supported the JAS effort.  As such, I would not 
> characterize the situation as there being a singular "GNSO position" on this. 
>  There's a majority view and there's a minority view, not full consensus, and 
> I hope we can keep that clear in future references to the matter.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Jun 14, 2011, at 6:57 PM, <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> Stéphane,
>>  
>> I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc.
>>  
>> Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this 
>> process very clear!
>>  
>> Kind regards
>> Wolf-Ulrich
>> 
>> Von: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im 
>> Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48
>> An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin 
>> Johnston; Bruce Tonkin
>> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla 
>> Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
>> Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - 
>> Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
>> 
>> Hello Katim,
>> 
>> This is a personal reaction to your message.
>> 
>> I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating 
>> that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way 
>> you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone 
>> Report.
>> 
>> At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our SO 
>> is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. 
>> Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered 
>> by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the 
>> GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a 
>> long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO 
>> considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say 
>> that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out 
>> for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council.
>> 
>> Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your duties 
>> as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs 
>> and to uphold the processes under which they work.
>> 
>> Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire 
>> process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants" 
>> is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious 
>> disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is 
>> not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly 
>> about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not 
>> justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the 
>> process".
>> 
>> As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, 
>> Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed 
>> as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of 
>> volunteers that the GNSO represents.
>> 
>> You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be 
>> hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO in 
>> this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of working 
>> through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to be a 
>> breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance from you 
>> that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend.
>> 
>> In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board 
>> level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the 
>> two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Stéphane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit :
>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much for your invitation to the call.  I certainly was looking 
>>> forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious 
>>> conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.)  I am a consultant helping 
>>> prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The Gambia, 
>>> and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I presented 
>>> a few weeks back.  We were hoping to go through the entire document today, 
>>> but we could not.  So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to complete our 
>>> review of the draft document.  For this reason, I will not be available to 
>>> join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this.
>>> 
>>> Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow.  In 
>>> addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the 
>>> proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD 
>>> applicants get the support they need.
>>> 
>>> One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the 
>>> finalization of the JAS WG report.  While I agree that it will help to 
>>> insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support 
>>> through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to 
>>> provide a timeline for the finalization of your report.
>>> 
>>> I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting 
>>> on the JAS WG reports.  I fear such a situation might well be construed by 
>>> many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking ways 
>>> and means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants.  One important 
>>> product of such a perception would be that developing countries will feel 
>>> that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in Nairobi last 
>>> year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive new gTLD program.  I 
>>> need not say that such a perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to 
>>> strengthen relations with developing countries, and get them on our side on 
>>> the many issues we'd like to have their support.  For this reason, I would 
>>> like hear what suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress 
>>> cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party.
>>> 
>>> Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your 
>>> tireless and selfless efforts on this matter.  Again, I am very sorry I 
>>> would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations.
>>> 
>>> Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> Katim
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff 
>>> <staff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>> 
>>> The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited, 
>>> is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you will be 
>>> able to join us.
>>> 
>>> PROPOSED AGENDA: 
>>> Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch -  Highlights Second 
>>> Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific 
>>> summary points
>>> Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) – JAS WG would like to 
>>> listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC 
>>> and Board members
>>> Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels – Should there be 
>>> a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the Singapore 
>>> ICANN Meeting?
>>> As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could:
>>> Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to 
>>> attend the  teleconference.
>>> Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if 
>>> possible.
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>>> 
>>> ALAC Chair
>>> 
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Dial-in details: Tuesday 14 June 2011 at 13:00 UTC
>>> 
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>>> 
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