Re: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting

[William Drake <william.drake@xxxxxx>]

Hi Stéphane

Right, I didn't question that it was a personal statement, and indeed I noted 
that in the first sentence of my reply.  I was responding to Wolf-Ulrich's 
message saying you'd made clear "the GNSO position" and simply underscoring 
that there's no singular view in the Council.  So can we agree that we agree, 
or shall we have a month long Council debate on the procedures to be followed 
in determining whether we agree? :-)

Onward and upward,

Bill



On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:

> Bill,
> 
> My message was a personal response and clearly marked in this way.
> 
> You are absolutely right that it should in no way be construed as a GNSO 
> position.
> 
> But to be honest, I think that was very clearly stated in my message.
> 
> Stéphane
> 
> 
> 
> Le 15 juin 2011 à 03:14, William Drake a écrit :
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> While one can differ with the some of the word choices in the message to 
>> which Stéphane has responded in his personal capacity, it should be noted 
>> that the sort of optical concerns that were raised are share among at least 
>> some in Council who've supported the JAS effort.  As such, I would not 
>> characterize the situation as there being a singular "GNSO position" on 
>> this.  There's a majority view and there's a minority view, not full 
>> consensus, and I hope we can keep that clear in future references to the 
>> matter.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> On Jun 14, 2011, at 6:57 PM, <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>>> Stéphane,
>>>  
>>> I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc.
>>>  
>>> Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this 
>>> process very clear!
>>>  
>>> Kind regards
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>> 
>>> Von: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im 
>>> Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48
>>> An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin 
>>> Johnston; Bruce Tonkin
>>> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; 
>>> Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ 
>>> Crepin-Leblond
>>> Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG 
>>> - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
>>> 
>>> Hello Katim,
>>> 
>>> This is a personal reaction to your message.
>>> 
>>> I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating 
>>> that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way 
>>> you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone 
>>> Report.
>>> 
>>> At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our 
>>> SO is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. 
>>> Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered 
>>> by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the 
>>> GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a 
>>> long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO 
>>> considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say 
>>> that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out 
>>> for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council.
>>> 
>>> Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your 
>>> duties as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect 
>>> its SOs and to uphold the processes under which they work.
>>> 
>>> Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire 
>>> process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants" 
>>> is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious 
>>> disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is 
>>> not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly 
>>> about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not 
>>> justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the 
>>> process".
>>> 
>>> As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, 
>>> Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed 
>>> as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of 
>>> volunteers that the GNSO represents.
>>> 
>>> You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be 
>>> hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO 
>>> in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of 
>>> working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to 
>>> be a breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance 
>>> from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend.
>>> 
>>> In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board 
>>> level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and 
>>> the two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Stéphane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit :
>>> 
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks so much for your invitation to the call.  I certainly was looking 
>>>> forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious 
>>>> conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.)  I am a consultant helping 
>>>> prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The 
>>>> Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I 
>>>> presented a few weeks back.  We were hoping to go through the entire 
>>>> document today, but we could not.  So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to 
>>>> complete our review of the draft document.  For this reason, I will not be 
>>>> available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this.
>>>> 
>>>> Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow.  In 
>>>> addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the 
>>>> proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD 
>>>> applicants get the support they need.
>>>> 
>>>> One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the 
>>>> finalization of the JAS WG report.  While I agree that it will help to 
>>>> insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support 
>>>> through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to 
>>>> provide a timeline for the finalization of your report.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting 
>>>> on the JAS WG reports.  I fear such a situation might well be construed by 
>>>> many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking 
>>>> ways and means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants.  One 
>>>> important product of such a perception would be that developing countries 
>>>> will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in 
>>>> Nairobi last year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive new 
>>>> gTLD program.  I need not say that such a perception will also harm 
>>>> ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations with developing countries, and get 
>>>> them on our side on the many issues we'd like to have their support.  For 
>>>> this reason, I would like hear what suggestions you have to the board to 
>>>> ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party.
>>>> 
>>>> Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your 
>>>> tireless and selfless efforts on this matter.  Again, I am very sorry I 
>>>> would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations.
>>>> 
>>>> Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore!
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> 
>>>> Katim
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff 
>>>> <staff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear All,
>>>> 
>>>> The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO 
>>>> invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you 
>>>> will be able to join us.
>>>> 
>>>> PROPOSED AGENDA: 
>>>> Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch -  Highlights Second 
>>>> Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific 
>>>> summary points
>>>> Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) – JAS WG would like to 
>>>> listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC 
>>>> and Board members
>>>> Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels – Should there be 
>>>> a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the Singapore 
>>>> ICANN Meeting?
>>>> As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could:
>>>> Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to 
>>>> attend the  teleconference.
>>>> Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if 
>>>> possible.
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>>>> 
>>>> ALAC Chair
>>>> 
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>> 
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