Re: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting

[Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks for clarifying Bill.

I think we can agree that we agree ;)

Can I say "please no" to your suggestion for a month-long debate? ;))

Stéphane



Le 15 juin 2011 à 16:49, William Drake a écrit :

> Hi Stéphane
> 
> Right, I didn't question that it was a personal statement, and indeed I noted 
> that in the first sentence of my reply.  I was responding to Wolf-Ulrich's 
> message saying you'd made clear "the GNSO position" and simply underscoring 
> that there's no singular view in the Council.  So can we agree that we agree, 
> or shall we have a month long Council debate on the procedures to be followed 
> in determining whether we agree? :-)
> 
> Onward and upward,
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
> 
>> Bill,
>> 
>> My message was a personal response and clearly marked in this way.
>> 
>> You are absolutely right that it should in no way be construed as a GNSO 
>> position.
>> 
>> But to be honest, I think that was very clearly stated in my message.
>> 
>> Stéphane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Le 15 juin 2011 à 03:14, William Drake a écrit :
>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> While one can differ with the some of the word choices in the message to 
>>> which Stéphane has responded in his personal capacity, it should be noted 
>>> that the sort of optical concerns that were raised are share among at least 
>>> some in Council who've supported the JAS effort.  As such, I would not 
>>> characterize the situation as there being a singular "GNSO position" on 
>>> this.  There's a majority view and there's a minority view, not full 
>>> consensus, and I hope we can keep that clear in future references to the 
>>> matter.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2011, at 6:57 PM, <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Stéphane,
>>>>  
>>>> I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc.
>>>>  
>>>> Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this 
>>>> process very clear!
>>>>  
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>> 
>>>> Von: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im 
>>>> Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48
>>>> An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin 
>>>> Johnston; Bruce Tonkin
>>>> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; 
>>>> Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ 
>>>> Crepin-Leblond
>>>> Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG 
>>>> - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Katim,
>>>> 
>>>> This is a personal reaction to your message.
>>>> 
>>>> I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating 
>>>> that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way 
>>>> you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone 
>>>> Report.
>>>> 
>>>> At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our 
>>>> SO is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. 
>>>> Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was 
>>>> considered by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, 
>>>> one of the GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. 
>>>> We have a long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the 
>>>> GNSO considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy 
>>>> to say that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be 
>>>> put out for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council.
>>>> 
>>>> Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your 
>>>> duties as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to 
>>>> respect its SOs and to uphold the processes under which they work.
>>>> 
>>>> Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the 
>>>> "entire process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD 
>>>> applicants" is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a 
>>>> serious disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up 
>>>> process is not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you 
>>>> care strongly about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this 
>>>> does not justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to 
>>>> "scuttle the process".
>>>> 
>>>> As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, 
>>>> Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be 
>>>> construed as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the 
>>>> community of volunteers that the GNSO represents.
>>>> 
>>>> You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be 
>>>> hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO 
>>>> in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of 
>>>> working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to 
>>>> be a breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance 
>>>> from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend.
>>>> 
>>>> In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board 
>>>> level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and 
>>>> the two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Stéphane
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit :
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks so much for your invitation to the call.  I certainly was looking 
>>>>> forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious 
>>>>> conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.)  I am a consultant 
>>>>> helping prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in 
>>>>> The Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft 
>>>>> plan I presented a few weeks back.  We were hoping to go through the 
>>>>> entire document today, but we could not.  So we agreed to meet again 
>>>>> tomorrow to complete our review of the draft document.  For this reason, 
>>>>> I will not be available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most 
>>>>> disappointed by this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow.  In 
>>>>> addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive 
>>>>> the proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD 
>>>>> applicants get the support they need.
>>>>> 
>>>>> One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the 
>>>>> finalization of the JAS WG report.  While I agree that it will help to 
>>>>> insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support 
>>>>> through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to 
>>>>> provide a timeline for the finalization of your report.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in 
>>>>> acting on the JAS WG reports.  I fear such a situation might well be 
>>>>> construed by many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process 
>>>>> of seeking ways and means to provide support to needy new gTLD 
>>>>> applicants.  One important product of such a perception would be that 
>>>>> developing countries will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as 
>>>>> the Board did in Nairobi last year) that it is interested in launching an 
>>>>> inclusive new gTLD program.  I need not say that such a perception will 
>>>>> also harm ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations with developing 
>>>>> countries, and get them on our side on the many issues we'd like to have 
>>>>> their support.  For this reason, I would like hear what suggestions you 
>>>>> have to the board to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction 
>>>>> by any party.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your 
>>>>> tireless and selfless efforts on this matter.  Again, I am very sorry I 
>>>>> would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your 
>>>>> deliberations.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Katim
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff 
>>>>> <staff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO 
>>>>> invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you 
>>>>> will be able to join us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> PROPOSED AGENDA: 
>>>>> Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch -  Highlights Second 
>>>>> Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific 
>>>>> summary points
>>>>> Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) – JAS WG would like to 
>>>>> listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC 
>>>>> and Board members
>>>>> Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels – Should there 
>>>>> be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the 
>>>>> Singapore ICANN Meeting?
>>>>> As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could:
>>>>> Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to 
>>>>> attend the  teleconference.
>>>>> Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if 
>>>>> possible.
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>>>>> 
>>>>> ALAC Chair
>>>>> 
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Dial-in details: Tuesday 14 June 2011 at 13:00 UTC
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>>>>> 
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