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AW: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting


Bill,
 
now I understand that my English may have confused you. I was writing about the 
"GNSO position within this process..." meaning the process of developing the 
motion. It was my personal opinion and not meaning that Stéphane's comment was 
the GNSO's position.
 
Sorry if I mislead you.
 

Kind regards
Wolf-Ulrich 


________________________________

        Von: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx] 
        Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2011 17:49
        An: William Drake
        Cc: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; GNSO Council List; Touray, Katim; Graham, 
Bill; Rita Johnston Rodin; Bruce Tonkin; "Géry de Saint, Glen"; Carlton SAMUELS 
A; Rafik Dammak; Crepin-Leblond, Olivier; ICANN (Internal) list ALAC; Karla 
Valente; gacsec@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Betreff: Re: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 
UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
        
        
        Thanks for clarifying Bill. 

        I think we can agree that we agree ;)

        Can I say "please no" to your suggestion for a month-long debate? ;))

        
        Stéphane



        Le 15 juin 2011 à 16:49, William Drake a écrit :


                Hi Stéphane 

                Right, I didn't question that it was a personal statement, and 
indeed I noted that in the first sentence of my reply.  I was responding to 
Wolf-Ulrich's message saying you'd made clear "the GNSO position" and simply 
underscoring that there's no singular view in the Council.  So can we agree 
that we agree, or shall we have a month long Council debate on the procedures 
to be followed in determining whether we agree? :-)

                Onward and upward,

                Bill



                On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:


                        Bill, 

                        My message was a personal response and clearly marked 
in this way.

                        You are absolutely right that it should in no way be 
construed as a GNSO position.

                        But to be honest, I think that was very clearly stated 
in my message.

                        
                        Stéphane



                        Le 15 juin 2011 à 03:14, William Drake a écrit :


                                Hi 

                                While one can differ with the some of the word 
choices in the message to which Stéphane has responded in his personal 
capacity, it should be noted that the sort of optical concerns that were raised 
are share among at least some in Council who've supported the JAS effort.  As 
such, I would not characterize the situation as there being a singular "GNSO 
position" on this.  There's a majority view and there's a minority view, not 
full consensus, and I hope we can keep that clear in future references to the 
matter.

                                Thanks,

                                Bill
                                

                                On Jun 14, 2011, at 6:57 PM, 
<KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


                                        Stéphane,
                                         
                                        I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO 
elected board member on cc.
                                         
                                        Great message, making the entire 
process and the GNSO position within this process very clear!
                                         
                                        Kind regards
                                        Wolf-Ulrich 


________________________________

                                        Von: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder
                                        Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48
                                        An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; 
Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin Johnston; Bruce Tonkin
                                        Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; 
Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; 
ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
                                        Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / 
Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
                                        
                                        
                                        Hello Katim, 

                                        This is a personal reaction to your 
message.
                                        

                                        I am, frankly, aghast that a Board 
member would send a message indicating that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" 
in acting on a report, in the way you portray the GNSO as having acted with 
regards to the JAS Milestone Report.

                                        At best, this shows a lack of 
understanding of the basic process that our SO is committed to following, by 
its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. Immediately after the JAS had forwarded 
its report to us, it was considered by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. 
During that meeting, one of the GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred 
for one meeting. We have a long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. 
Hence the GNSO considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am 
happy to say that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report 
be put out for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council.

                                        Regardless of your personal interests, 
I would think that one of your duties as a Board member is to uphold the 
organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs and to uphold the processes under 
which they work.

                                        Implying in your message that the GNSO 
is attempting to scuttle the "entire process of seeking ways... to provide 
support to needy new gTLD applicants" is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote 
shows), it is also a serious disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. 
ICANN's bottom-up process is not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue 
that you care strongly about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, 
this does not justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to 
"scuttle the process".

                                        As your message was sent in the context 
of a call with the Board, the GAC, Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. 
Hence it could also be construed as an attempt to discredit the hard work being 
done by the community of volunteers that the GNSO represents.

                                        You request suggestions to the Board 
"to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this 
is clearly aimed at the GNSO in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack 
ICANN's core process of working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I 
take your message to be a breach of that process and would personally 
appreciate reassurance from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you 
intend.

                                        In order to initiate possible 
discussion on this at both Council and Board level, I am copying the GNSO 
Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the two GNSO-elected Board members 
for their possible comments.

                                        Thanks,

                                        
                                        Stéphane



                                        Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. 
Touray a écrit :


                                        Dear all,
                                        
                                        Thanks so much for your invitation to 
the call.  I certainly was looking forward to joining you on the call, but 
unfortunately, I have a serious conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.) 
 I am a consultant helping prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries 
Department in The Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a 
draft plan I presented a few weeks back.  We were hoping to go through the 
entire document today, but we could not.  So we agreed to meet again tomorrow 
to complete our review of the draft document.  For this reason, I will not be 
available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this.
                                        
                                        Having said that, I hope you have a 
successful meeting tomorrow.  In addition, I would like to say that I hope your 
recommendations receive the proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, 
needy new gTLD applicants get the support they need.
                                        
                                        One issue I would like you to discuss 
on the call is the timeline for the finalization of the JAS WG report.  While I 
agree that it will help to insist that the AG mention that needy applicants 
should seek support through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it 
will help to provide a timeline for the finalization of your report.
                                        
                                        I'm also troubled by the fact that the 
GNSO has been rather slow in acting on the JAS WG reports.  I fear such a 
situation might well be construed by many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle 
the entire process of seeking ways and means to provide support to needy new 
gTLD applicants.  One important product of such a perception would be that 
developing countries will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the 
Board did in Nairobi last year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive 
new gTLD program.  I need not say that such a perception will also harm ICANN's 
efforts to strengthen relations with developing countries, and get them on our 
side on the many issues we'd like to have their support.  For this reason, I 
would like hear what suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress 
cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party.
                                        
                                        Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" 
again to all of you for your tireless and selfless efforts on this matter.  
Again, I am very sorry I would not be able to join your call, and best wishes 
in your deliberations.
                                        
                                        Have a great week, and safe travels to 
Singapore!
                                        
                                        Sincerely,
                                        
                                        Katim
                                        
                                        
                                        On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN 
At-Large Staff <staff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
                                        


                                        
                                        Dear All,
                                        
                                        
                                        The JAS Working Group Call with members 
of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 
13:00 UTC. We hope you will be able to join us.
                                        
                                        
                                        
                                        PROPOSED AGENDA: 

                                        *       Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) 
Evan Leibovitch -  Highlights Second Milestone Report covering short history 
how it was developed and specific summary points 

                                        

                                        *       Board/GAC questions/comments 
(30 to 40 minutes) - JAS WG would like to listen to individual feedback and 
receive questions/suggestions from GAC and Board members 

                                        *       Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) 
Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels - Should there be a public meeting with the JAS WG 
GAC/Board members during the Singapore ICANN Meeting? 

                                        As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG 
to better prepare if you could:
                                        

                                        1.      Advise on the representatives 
from the Board and GAC that will be able to attend the  teleconference. 
                                        2.      Send us any questions or 
comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if possible.

                                        Kind regards,
                                        

                                        Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond

                                        ALAC Chair
                                        
                                        
                                        
                                        
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