RE: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting

["Andrei Kolesnikov" <andrei@xxxxxxxx>]

Stephane, IMHO this was an overreaction to the expected signal - we just
didn't  know the origin. I understand and support your desire to protect
council's discipline and methods and don't see any trouble with this one.
Just repeating my preaching: let's concentrate on matter rather than
procedures and be less bureaucratic :)

 

See you soon,

 

--andrei

 

 

From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Adrian Kinderis
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:14 AM
To: Stéphane Van Gelder; KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC /
JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting

 

SVG,

 

I don?t have any issues with the wording of the email. It is straight out of
the AK playbook and the sentiment is spot on.

 

However, I am not sure you should have included any other members of the
Board given it was an email and not one endorsed by the GNSO Council.

 

I fear that, at any given moment, councillors will email individual Board
members and create the false impression that the view is indeed one shared
by the GNSO ? despite any waivers you put in the email itself.

 

I think you also need to be careful in your position as Chair as your
comments will inevitably be accepted as a general view.

 

I like the fact that, as chair, you are prepared to act and protect the
processes we have worked hard to develop. It is a great quality to have in
a Chair, especially in this environment. Unfortunately, as I have learnt on
a number of occasions, this needs to be tempered with perspective and
consensus if it is to be put forward.

 

Perhaps bringing your point up with the Council or emailing Board members
personally and privately would have been more appropriate.

 

I am not sure I am helping here. Something just didn?t feel right in the way
this was done.

 

Thanks and safe travels all.

 

#yestonewTLDs

 

Adrian Kinderis

 

From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder
Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2011 9:02 PM
To: KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: graham@xxxxxxxx; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC /
JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting

 

Thanks so much for doing that Wolf. Bill, my sincere apologies for not
copying you, it was an oversight on my part.

 

Stéphane

 

 

 

Le 14 juin 2011 à 12:57, <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

 

Stéphane,

 

I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc.

 

Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this
process very clear!

 

Kind regards
Wolf-Ulrich 

 


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Von: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im
Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder
Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48
An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin
Johnston; Bruce Tonkin
Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla
Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ
Crepin-Leblond
Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG -
Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting

Hello Katim, 

 

This is a personal reaction to your message.

 

I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating
that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way
you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone
Report.

 

At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our SO
is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws.
Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered
by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the
GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a
long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO
considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say
that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out
for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council.

 

Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your duties
as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs
and to uphold the processes under which they work.

 

Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire
process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants"
is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious
disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is
not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly
about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not
justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the
process".

 

As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC,
Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed
as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of
volunteers that the GNSO represents.

 

You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be
hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO in
this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of working
through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to be a
breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance from you
that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend.

 

In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board
level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the
two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments.

 

Thanks,

 

Stéphane

 

 

 

Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit :

 

Dear all,

Thanks so much for your invitation to the call.  I certainly was looking
forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious
conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.)  I am a consultant helping
prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The Gambia,
and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I presented
a few weeks back.  We were hoping to go through the entire document today,
but we could not.  So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to complete our
review of the draft document.  For this reason, I will not be available to
join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this.

Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow.  In
addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the
proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD
applicants get the support they need.

One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the
finalization of the JAS WG report.  While I agree that it will help to
insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support through
the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to provide a
timeline for the finalization of your report.

I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting
on the JAS WG reports.  I fear such a situation might well be construed by
many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking ways
and means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants.  One important
product of such a perception would be that developing countries will feel
that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in Nairobi last
year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive new gTLD program.  I
need not say that such a perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to
strengthen relations with developing countries, and get them on our side on
the many issues we'd like to have their support.  For this reason, I would
like hear what suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress
cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party.

Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your
tireless and selfless efforts on this matter.  Again, I am very sorry I
would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations.

Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore!

Sincerely,

Katim

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff
<staff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

Dear All,

 

The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited,
is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you will be
able to join us.

PROPOSED AGENDA: 

*       Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch -  Highlights Second
Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific
summary points 

*       Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) ? JAS WG would like
to listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC
and Board members 

*       Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels ? Should
there be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the
Singapore ICANN Meeting? 

As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could:

1.      Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be
able to attend the  teleconference. 
2.      Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in
advance, if possible.

Kind regards,

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond

ALAC Chair

 

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