RE: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting

["Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Stephane,

Thank you for the well put response and I agree completely. All
Councilors, esp. the Chair, should protect the processes that have been
so painstakingly put in place. It has nothing to do with bureaucracy,
but has to do with defending the integrity of the bottom up processes
that ICANN has committed to. If any Councilor disagrees with those they
need to attempt to change (not circumvent) them through appropriate
mechanisms. In my opinion, we have accepted that responsibility by
accepting our appointments to the Council.

Tim

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300
> UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
> From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, June 15, 2011 7:24 am
> To: Andrei Kolesnikov <andrei@xxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> Thanks Andrei,
> 
> I think that is consistent with the point I was making. This is not 
> bureaucracy, it is the core function of ICANN. How could the GNSO have been 
> any quicker about considering the JAS milestone report, while still keeping 
> within our rules?
> 
> Stéphane
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> Le 15 juin 2011 à 11:36, Andrei Kolesnikov a écrit :
> Stephane, IMHO this was an overreaction to the expected signal - we just 
> didn't  know the origin. I understand and support your desire to protect 
> council's discipline and methods and don't see any trouble with this one. 
> Just repeating my preaching: let's concentrate on matter rather than 
> procedures and be less bureaucratic :)
>  
> See you soon,
>  
> --andrei
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>  
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Adrian Kinderis
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:14 AM
> To: Stéphane Van Gelder; KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / 
> JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
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> SVG,
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> I don�t have any issues with the wording of the email. It is straight out of 
> the AK playbook and the sentiment is spot on.
>  
> However, I am not sure you should have included any other members of the 
> Board given it was an email and not one endorsed by the GNSO Council.
>  
> I fear that, at any given moment, councillors will email individual Board 
> members and create the false impression that the view is indeed one shared by 
> the GNSO � despite any waivers you put in the email itself.
>  
> I think you also need to be careful in your position as Chair as your 
> comments will inevitably be accepted as a general view.
>  
> I like the fact that, as chair, you are prepared to act and protect the 
> processes we have worked hard to develop. It is a great quality to have in  a 
> Chair, especially in this environment. Unfortunately, as I have learnt on a 
> number of occasions, this needs to be tempered with perspective and consensus 
> if it is to be put forward.
>  
> Perhaps bringing your point up with the Council or emailing Board members 
> personally and privately would have been more appropriate.
>  
> I am not sure I am helping here. Something just didn�t feel right in the way 
> this was done.
>  
> Thanks and safe travels all.
>  
> #yestonewTLDs
>  
> Adrian Kinderis
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> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2011 9:02 PM
> To: KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: graham@xxxxxxxx; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / 
> JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
> 
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> Thanks so much for doing that Wolf. Bill, my sincere apologies for not 
> copying you, it was an oversight on my part.
>  
> Stéphane
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> Le 14 juin 2011 à 12:57,  a écrit :
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> Stéphane,
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> I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc.
>  
> Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this 
> process very clear!
>  
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> Kind regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
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> Von: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im 
> Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48
> An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin 
> Johnston; Bruce Tonkin
> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla 
> Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
> Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - 
> Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
> Hello Katim,
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> This is a personal reaction to your message.
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> I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating 
> that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way you 
> portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone Report.
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> At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our SO 
> is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. 
> Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered 
> by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the GNSO 
> groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a 
> long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO considered 
> the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say that the 
> motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out for public 
> comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council.
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> Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your duties 
> as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs 
> and to uphold the processes under which they work.
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> Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire 
> process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants" 
> is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious 
> disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is not 
> "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly about, 
> you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not justify false 
> allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the process".
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> As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, 
> Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed 
> as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of 
> volunteers that the GNSO represents.
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> You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be 
> hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO in 
> this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of working 
> through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to be a breach 
> of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance from you that I 
> am mistaken, and that is not what you intend.
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> In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board 
> level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the 
> two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments.
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> Thanks,
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> Stéphane
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> Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit :
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> Dear all,
> 
> Thanks so much for your invitation to the call.  I certainly was looking 
> forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious 
> conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.)  I am a consultant helping 
> prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The Gambia, 
> and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I presented a 
> few weeks back.  We were hoping to go through the entire document today, but 
> we could not.  So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to complete our review of 
> the draft document.  For this reason, I will not be available to join the 
> call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this.
> 
> Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow.  In 
> addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the 
> proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD applicants 
> get the support they need.
> 
> One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the 
> finalization of the JAS WG report.  While I agree that it will help to insist 
> that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support through the 
> process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to provide a timeline 
> for the finalization of your report.
> 
> I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting on 
> the JAS WG reports.  I fear such a situation might well be construed by many 
> as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking ways and 
> means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants.  One important product 
> of such a perception would be that developing countries will feel that ICANN 
> is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in Nairobi last year) that it 
> is interested in launching an inclusive new gTLD program.  I need not say 
> that such a perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations 
> with developing countries, and get them on our side on the many issues we'd 
> like to have their support.  For this reason, I would like hear what 
> suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked 
> by inaction by any party.
> 
> Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your tireless 
> and selfless efforts on this matter.  Again, I am very sorry I would not be 
> able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations.
> 
> Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore!
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Katim
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff  wrote:
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> Dear All,
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> The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited, 
> is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you will be able 
> to join us.
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> PROPOSED AGENDA: 
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> Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch -  Highlights Second Milestone 
> Report covering short history how it was developed and specific summary 
> pointsBoard/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) � JAS WG would like to 
> listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC and 
> Board membersSingapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels � 
> Should there be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the 
> Singapore ICANN Meeting?
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> As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could:
> Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to 
> attend the  teleconference.Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone 
> Report in advance, if possible.Kind regards,
> 
> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
> ALAC Chair
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