RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments

["Dominik Filipp" <dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx>]

Dear Debbie,

How long have I been waiting for at least one domain tasting input to
come? One week already and yet nothing has come in, except for Chris's
support. Do you really think I have been trying and waiting a little? I
cannot and do not want to force anyone to participate. The members here
are not committed to anybody and anything but their good and free will.
But when I see what is happening all the way around I simply cannot stay
silent, with or without the GA.

However, I would much rather appreciate a wider support and
participation. Also that of yours, Debbie. Yes, I also share your view
that our standard should be much higher if we want to establish
something qualitatively new. A nice opportunity for all to be thinking
over it, even if our common results would be satirized, ignored and
eventually thrown away. For me it still makes sense.

Dominik


-----Original Message-----
From: Debbie Garside [mailto:debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 8:11 PM
To: chris@xxxxxx; 'Roberto Gaetano'; Dominik Filipp;
robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nhklein@xxxxxxx; carlos.souza@xxxxxx
Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments

Hi Chris

I can understand Dominik's intention and your viewpoint.  However, WE
must be seen to play by the rules which means that, IMHO, the correct
thing for Dominik to do is to post his email to the GA as a draft that
he wishes to send, listing the proposed recipients, in order to gain a
consensus to move forward (or not).

Why not try it Dominik?

Best regards

Debbie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: chris@xxxxxx [mailto:chris@xxxxxx]
> Sent: 08 May 2008 18:13
> To: debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Roberto Gaetano'; 'Dominik Filipp'; 
> robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nhklein@xxxxxxx; carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
>
> Debbie I understand, but I get a little defensive when the same 
> tactics are used time and time again to discredit the comments made to

> this list and to the old dnso and ga lists.
> Whenever valid comments or suggestions are made here and in the old 
> lists that go against what the insiders at ICANN want to happen, they 
> use statements like the one roberto made to try and discredit the 
> entire list as irrelevant. If we were all to rubber stamp everything 
> ICANN did to appease the registrars and registries ICANN would put out

> press releases telling everyone how valid this list was.
>
> Chris McElroy, NameCritic, Inc.
> http://www.articlecontentprovider.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "'Roberto Gaetano'" <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>; <chris@xxxxxx>; "'Dominik

> Filipp'" <dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx>; <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
> <nhklein@xxxxxxx>; <carlos.souza@xxxxxx>
> Cc: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:48 AM
> Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
>
>
> > Hi All
> >
> > Roberto is right.  I wrote to Dominik with regard to the
> tone of the
> > original post immediately upon seeing it pointing out the very same.
> >
> > I do not think that Dominik intended to mislead those
> copied into the
> > email but rather his enthusiasm for what he believes to be the case 
> > comes through.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roberto Gaetano
> >> Sent: 08 May 2008 00:27
> >> To: chris@xxxxxx; 'Dominik Filipp'; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 
> >> nhklein@xxxxxxx; carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> >> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> >>
> >> Chris,
> >> I am not denying anything, what you say is a completely different 
> >> matter.
> >> Can we stick to the point, please?
> >> Dominik has asked the NCUC to revise their position on the
> basis of
> >> the fact that the GA has a different opinion. I just pointed out 
> >> that, as of today, the GA has no evidence of having a position, 
> >> therefore the statement was incorrect. And I am just
> saying this for
> >> completeness of information for the NCUC folks. Full stop.
> >> If then the GA, via its Chair, or other, decides to run a
> straw poll,
> >> or vote, or have a consensus document, or whatever, this could be 
> >> used as evidence of a position on the issue. In absence of
> that, the
> >> statement made in the original post is incorrect.
> >> Cheers,
> >> Roberto
> >>
> >> (last post of mine on the subject)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: chris@xxxxxx [mailto:chris@xxxxxx]
> >> > Sent: Thursday, 08 May 2008 00:04
> >> > To: Roberto Gaetano; 'Dominik Filipp'; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 
> >> > nhklein@xxxxxxx; carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> >> > Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Subject: Re: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> >> >
> >> > Roberto, how about setting up a poll where all members of
> >> the ga list
> >> > can answer and show they have a consensus one way or the
> other. And
> >> > Roberto, the ga has had positions in the past that were
> practically
> >> > unanimous and the recommendations were still ignored, so
> maybe it
> >> > really does have something to do with top down management
> >> after all.
> >> > History chows that to be the case.
> >> > To deny that is to pretty much just be lying.
> >> >
> >> > Chris McElroy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Roberto Gaetano" <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: "'Dominik Filipp'" <dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx>; 
> >> > <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <nhklein@xxxxxxx>; <carlos.souza@xxxxxx>
> >> > Cc: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 5:37 PM
> >> > Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >I was just noting that you did tell the NCUC representatives
> >> > that the
> >> > >GA has  a position, while in reality this is not supported
> >> by facts.
> >> > > Maybe this is the main reason why the GA is not taken
> >> > seriously, and
> >> > >the  top-down vs. bottom-up has very little to do with it.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > > Roberto
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >> -----Original Message-----
> >> > >> From: Dominik Filipp [mailto:dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx]
> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, 06 May 2008 12:31
> >> > >> To: Roberto Gaetano; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nhklein@xxxxxxx; 
> >> > >> carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> >> > >> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > >> Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Roberto,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> They are those regularly contributing to the GA who are
> >> > not addicted
> >> > >> to personal career, financial interests, benefits or
> false timid
> >> > >> loyalty.
> >> > >> No, you have not missed anything. Neither a straw poll nor
> >> > a common
> >> > >> decision has been, unfortunately, issued yet.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> If they were they would be ignored much like all others in
> >> > the past.
> >> > >> That is the main reason why many formerly active
> >> contributors are
> >> > >> feeling frustrated and are not willing to participate on
> >> the game
> >> > >> played on the public.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> By the way, the only official relevant straw poll results
> >> > gathered so
> >> > >> far at GNSO having gained a majority (110 votes,
> >> > >> 64%) votes in favour of the AGP elimination have been
> similarly
> >> > >> brushed away, not worth mentioning in the Final Report. Do
> >> > you really
> >> > >> think you would be interested in a straw poll conducted
> >> on the GA?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I just want ICANN to be honest and say it in fact prefers the 
> >> > >> top-down instead of the bottom-up. And, that public
> input can be
> >> > >> prospectively considered at sole discretion of the
> staff and the
> >> > >> board. Get rid of all those core values related to it and
> >> > that's it.
> >> > >> It would be clear and fair. I would accept it.
> >> > >> I would say ok, bye-bye, and would leave ICANN definitely.
> >> > >> But please do not play (I mean all ICANN staffers here) that 
> >> > >> transparent game on us. It is already embarrassing.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> ICANN needs self-confident people in constituencies
> who are not
> >> > >> frightened and scared of expressing and standing for
> their own
> >> > >> opinions.
> >> > >> Do not mistake compromise for backdown. A compromise is
> >> made as a
> >> > >> result of proper deliberation on reasonable and valid
> arguments
> >> > >> presented by constituencies and public input on equal
> >> > basis. How can
> >> > >> we be deliberating on something that was excluded from
> >> discussion
> >> > >> from the very beginning?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Roberto, you are at the second highest position at ICANN. Get 
> >> > >> involved in the increase of the public participation if,
> >> > of course,
> >> > >> you find it important. ICANN has been at crossroad
> for some past
> >> > >> years; either it will follow the existing hidden
> >> top-down model or
> >> > >> try making it an open organization with influential public 
> >> > >> participation. You can influence it.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dominik
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> -----Original Message-----
> >> > >> From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@xxxxxxxxx]
> >> > >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:48 PM
> >> > >> To: Dominik Filipp; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nhklein@xxxxxxx; 
> >> > >> carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> >> > >> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > >> Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dominik Filipp wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > We on the GNSO GA, however, believe the motion is
> >> > insufficient and
> >> > >> > still vulnerable to possible abuse.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> We who?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> If there was some decision in this sense, or at least a
> >> > straw poll, I
> >> > >> missed it.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Cheers,
> >> > >> Roberto
> >> > >
> >>