Re: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments

[<chris@xxxxxx>]

Debbie I understand, but I get a little defensive when the same tactics are 
used time and time again to discredit the comments made to this list and to 
the old dnso and ga lists. Whenever valid comments or suggestions are made 
here and in the old lists that go against what the insiders at ICANN want to 
happen, they use statements like the one roberto made to try and discredit 
the entire list as irrelevant. If we were all to rubber stamp everything 
ICANN did to appease the registrars and registries ICANN would put out press 
releases telling everyone how valid this list was.
Chris McElroy, NameCritic, Inc.
http://www.articlecontentprovider.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Roberto Gaetano'" <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>; <chris@xxxxxx>; "'Dominik 
Filipp'" <dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx>; <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
<nhklein@xxxxxxx>; <carlos.souza@xxxxxx>
Cc: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:48 AM
Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments


> Hi All
>
> Roberto is right.  I wrote to Dominik with regard to the tone of the
> original post immediately upon seeing it pointing out the very same.
>
> I do not think that Dominik intended to mislead those copied into the 
> email
> but rather his enthusiasm for what he believes to be the case comes 
> through.
> Best regards
>
> Debbie
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roberto Gaetano
> > Sent: 08 May 2008 00:27
> > To: chris@xxxxxx; 'Dominik Filipp'; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> > nhklein@xxxxxxx; carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> > Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> >
> > Chris,
> > I am not denying anything, what you say is a completely
> > different matter.
> > Can we stick to the point, please?
> > Dominik has asked the NCUC to revise their position on the
> > basis of the fact that the GA has a different opinion. I just
> > pointed out that, as of today, the GA has no evidence of
> > having a position, therefore the statement was incorrect. And
> > I am just saying this for completeness of information for the
> > NCUC folks. Full stop.
> > If then the GA, via its Chair, or other, decides to run a
> > straw poll, or vote, or have a consensus document, or
> > whatever, this could be used as evidence of a position on the
> > issue. In absence of that, the statement made in the original
> > post is incorrect.
> > Cheers,
> > Roberto
> >
> > (last post of mine on the subject)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: chris@xxxxxx [mailto:chris@xxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 08 May 2008 00:04
> > > To: Roberto Gaetano; 'Dominik Filipp'; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> > > nhklein@xxxxxxx; carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> > > Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> > >
> > > Roberto, how about setting up a poll where all members of
> > the ga list
> > > can answer and show they have a consensus one way or the other. And
> > > Roberto, the ga has had positions in the past that were practically
> > > unanimous and the recommendations were still ignored, so maybe it
> > > really does have something to do with top down management
> > after all.
> > > History chows that to be the case.
> > > To deny that is to pretty much just be lying.
> > >
> > > Chris McElroy
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roberto Gaetano" <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "'Dominik Filipp'" <dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx>;
> > > <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <nhklein@xxxxxxx>; <carlos.souza@xxxxxx>
> > > Cc: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 5:37 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> > >
> > >
> > > >I was just noting that you did tell the NCUC representatives
> > > that the
> > > >GA has  a position, while in reality this is not supported
> > by facts.
> > > > Maybe this is the main reason why the GA is not taken
> > > seriously, and
> > > >the  top-down vs. bottom-up has very little to do with it.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Roberto
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Dominik Filipp [mailto:dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx]
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, 06 May 2008 12:31
> > > >> To: Roberto Gaetano; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nhklein@xxxxxxx;
> > > >> carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> > > >> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> > > >>
> > > >> Roberto,
> > > >>
> > > >> They are those regularly contributing to the GA who are
> > > not addicted
> > > >> to personal career, financial interests, benefits or false timid
> > > >> loyalty.
> > > >> No, you have not missed anything. Neither a straw poll nor
> > > a common
> > > >> decision has been, unfortunately, issued yet.
> > > >>
> > > >> If they were they would be ignored much like all others in
> > > the past.
> > > >> That is the main reason why many formerly active
> > contributors are
> > > >> feeling frustrated and are not willing to participate on
> > the game
> > > >> played on the public.
> > > >>
> > > >> By the way, the only official relevant straw poll results
> > > gathered so
> > > >> far at GNSO having gained a majority (110 votes,
> > > >> 64%) votes in favour of the AGP elimination have been similarly
> > > >> brushed away, not worth mentioning in the Final Report. Do
> > > you really
> > > >> think you would be interested in a straw poll conducted
> > on the GA?
> > > >>
> > > >> I just want ICANN to be honest and say it in fact prefers the
> > > >> top-down instead of the bottom-up. And, that public input can be
> > > >> prospectively considered at sole discretion of the staff and the
> > > >> board. Get rid of all those core values related to it and
> > > that's it.
> > > >> It would be clear and fair. I would accept it.
> > > >> I would say ok, bye-bye, and would leave ICANN definitely.
> > > >> But please do not play (I mean all ICANN staffers here) that
> > > >> transparent game on us. It is already embarrassing.
> > > >>
> > > >> ICANN needs self-confident people in constituencies who are not
> > > >> frightened and scared of expressing and standing for their own
> > > >> opinions.
> > > >> Do not mistake compromise for backdown. A compromise is
> > made as a
> > > >> result of proper deliberation on reasonable and valid arguments
> > > >> presented by constituencies and public input on equal
> > > basis. How can
> > > >> we be deliberating on something that was excluded from
> > discussion
> > > >> from the very beginning?
> > > >>
> > > >> Roberto, you are at the second highest position at ICANN. Get
> > > >> involved in the increase of the public participation if,
> > > of course,
> > > >> you find it important. ICANN has been at crossroad for some past
> > > >> years; either it will follow the existing hidden
> > top-down model or
> > > >> try making it an open organization with influential public
> > > >> participation. You can influence it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Dominik
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:48 PM
> > > >> To: Dominik Filipp; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nhklein@xxxxxxx;
> > > >> carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> > > >> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> > > >>
> > > >> Dominik Filipp wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > We on the GNSO GA, however, believe the motion is
> > > insufficient and
> > > >> > still vulnerable to possible abuse.
> > > >>
> > > >> We who?
> > > >>
> > > >> If there was some decision in this sense, or at least a
> > > straw poll, I
> > > >> missed it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> Roberto
> > > >