RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments

["Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi All

Roberto is right.  I wrote to Dominik with regard to the tone of the
original post immediately upon seeing it pointing out the very same.

I do not think that Dominik intended to mislead those copied into the email
but rather his enthusiasm for what he believes to be the case comes through.

Best regards

Debbie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roberto Gaetano
> Sent: 08 May 2008 00:27
> To: chris@xxxxxx; 'Dominik Filipp'; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> nhklein@xxxxxxx; carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
>
> Chris,
> I am not denying anything, what you say is a completely
> different matter.
> Can we stick to the point, please?
> Dominik has asked the NCUC to revise their position on the
> basis of the fact that the GA has a different opinion. I just
> pointed out that, as of today, the GA has no evidence of
> having a position, therefore the statement was incorrect. And
> I am just saying this for completeness of information for the
> NCUC folks. Full stop.
> If then the GA, via its Chair, or other, decides to run a
> straw poll, or vote, or have a consensus document, or
> whatever, this could be used as evidence of a position on the
> issue. In absence of that, the statement made in the original
> post is incorrect.
> Cheers,
> Roberto
>
> (last post of mine on the subject)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: chris@xxxxxx [mailto:chris@xxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, 08 May 2008 00:04
> > To: Roberto Gaetano; 'Dominik Filipp'; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> > nhklein@xxxxxxx; carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> > Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> >
> > Roberto, how about setting up a poll where all members of
> the ga list
> > can answer and show they have a consensus one way or the other. And
> > Roberto, the ga has had positions in the past that were practically
> > unanimous and the recommendations were still ignored, so maybe it
> > really does have something to do with top down management
> after all.
> > History chows that to be the case.
> > To deny that is to pretty much just be lying.
> >
> > Chris McElroy
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roberto Gaetano" <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "'Dominik Filipp'" <dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx>;
> > <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <nhklein@xxxxxxx>; <carlos.souza@xxxxxx>
> > Cc: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 5:37 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> >
> >
> > >I was just noting that you did tell the NCUC representatives
> > that the
> > >GA has  a position, while in reality this is not supported
> by facts.
> > > Maybe this is the main reason why the GA is not taken
> > seriously, and
> > >the  top-down vs. bottom-up has very little to do with it.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Roberto
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Dominik Filipp [mailto:dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx]
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, 06 May 2008 12:31
> > >> To: Roberto Gaetano; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nhklein@xxxxxxx;
> > >> carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> > >> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> > >>
> > >> Roberto,
> > >>
> > >> They are those regularly contributing to the GA who are
> > not addicted
> > >> to personal career, financial interests, benefits or false timid
> > >> loyalty.
> > >> No, you have not missed anything. Neither a straw poll nor
> > a common
> > >> decision has been, unfortunately, issued yet.
> > >>
> > >> If they were they would be ignored much like all others in
> > the past.
> > >> That is the main reason why many formerly active
> contributors are
> > >> feeling frustrated and are not willing to participate on
> the game
> > >> played on the public.
> > >>
> > >> By the way, the only official relevant straw poll results
> > gathered so
> > >> far at GNSO having gained a majority (110 votes,
> > >> 64%) votes in favour of the AGP elimination have been similarly
> > >> brushed away, not worth mentioning in the Final Report. Do
> > you really
> > >> think you would be interested in a straw poll conducted
> on the GA?
> > >>
> > >> I just want ICANN to be honest and say it in fact prefers the
> > >> top-down instead of the bottom-up. And, that public input can be
> > >> prospectively considered at sole discretion of the staff and the
> > >> board. Get rid of all those core values related to it and
> > that's it.
> > >> It would be clear and fair. I would accept it.
> > >> I would say ok, bye-bye, and would leave ICANN definitely.
> > >> But please do not play (I mean all ICANN staffers here) that
> > >> transparent game on us. It is already embarrassing.
> > >>
> > >> ICANN needs self-confident people in constituencies who are not
> > >> frightened and scared of expressing and standing for their own
> > >> opinions.
> > >> Do not mistake compromise for backdown. A compromise is
> made as a
> > >> result of proper deliberation on reasonable and valid arguments
> > >> presented by constituencies and public input on equal
> > basis. How can
> > >> we be deliberating on something that was excluded from
> discussion
> > >> from the very beginning?
> > >>
> > >> Roberto, you are at the second highest position at ICANN. Get
> > >> involved in the increase of the public participation if,
> > of course,
> > >> you find it important. ICANN has been at crossroad for some past
> > >> years; either it will follow the existing hidden
> top-down model or
> > >> try making it an open organization with influential public
> > >> participation. You can influence it.
> > >>
> > >> Dominik
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@xxxxxxxxx]
> > >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:48 PM
> > >> To: Dominik Filipp; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nhklein@xxxxxxx;
> > >> carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> > >> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> > >>
> > >> Dominik Filipp wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > We on the GNSO GA, however, believe the motion is
> > insufficient and
> > >> > still vulnerable to possible abuse.
> > >>
> > >> We who?
> > >>
> > >> If there was some decision in this sense, or at least a
> > straw poll, I
> > >> missed it.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Roberto
> > >
>