RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments

["Dominik Filipp" <dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx>]

Roberto,

Let me give a say on this. I'll try to be perfectly honest in my
thoughts here.

First, I used a relatively soft wording 'we on the GNSO GA, however,
believe' and not that 'we all or mostmany of us are
convinced/persuaded/sure', or a similarly stronger statement. In
contrast to Debbie, however, I know for fact I am by no means the only
one supporting such a position. Just go through the posts on the GA and
you'll find others who share the similar view.

Second, I did not ask NCUC to revise their position as you state but I
wrote in MY personal capacity and in a very polite tone that 'I would be
very pleased if NCUC could reconsider its position'. In fact, except of
the very first wording mentioned and explained above all other sentences
in that post, except the very last one, use 'I' and are therefore worded
as presenting my view.

Your sentence 'statement made in the original post is incorrect' is out
of merit because it is not a statement at all. That my post is an
unusually polite appeal to look into the merit of domain tasting
properly as I am pretty convinced NCUC owes to the community it
advocates.

As regards your mention about a possible straw poll on the GA; are you
really interested in what people here are thinking about it? Did you ask
the GNSO why they did not consider the official GNSO straw poll results,
the only so far gathered measurable pattern of public opinion on this,
in the Final Report? Or is this all yet another attempt to confuse and
discourage us here?

I would be really happy if we as well as you could look into the merit
of the problem finally instead of this childish fighting.

Howgh

Dominik


-----Original Message-----
From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:27 AM
To: chris@xxxxxx; Dominik Filipp; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nhklein@xxxxxxx;
carlos.souza@xxxxxx
Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments

Chris,
I am not denying anything, what you say is a completely different
matter.
Can we stick to the point, please?
Dominik has asked the NCUC to revise their position on the basis of the
fact that the GA has a different opinion. I just pointed out that, as of
today, the GA has no evidence of having a position, therefore the
statement was incorrect. And I am just saying this for completeness of
information for the NCUC folks. Full stop.
If then the GA, via its Chair, or other, decides to run a straw poll, or
vote, or have a consensus document, or whatever, this could be used as
evidence of a position on the issue. In absence of that, the statement
made in the original post is incorrect.
Cheers,
Roberto

(last post of mine on the subject)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: chris@xxxxxx [mailto:chris@xxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, 08 May 2008 00:04
> To: Roberto Gaetano; 'Dominik Filipp'; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 
> nhklein@xxxxxxx; carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> 
> Roberto, how about setting up a poll where all members of the ga list 
> can answer and show they have a consensus one way or the other. And 
> Roberto, the ga has had positions in the past that were practically 
> unanimous and the recommendations were still ignored, so maybe it 
> really does have something to do with top down management after all. 
> History chows that to be the case.
> To deny that is to pretty much just be lying.
> 
> Chris McElroy
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roberto Gaetano" <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "'Dominik Filipp'" <dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx>; 
> <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <nhklein@xxxxxxx>; <carlos.souza@xxxxxx>
> Cc: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 5:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> 
> 
> >I was just noting that you did tell the NCUC representatives
> that the
> >GA has  a position, while in reality this is not supported by facts.
> > Maybe this is the main reason why the GA is not taken
> seriously, and
> >the  top-down vs. bottom-up has very little to do with it.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Roberto
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dominik Filipp [mailto:dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 06 May 2008 12:31
> >> To: Roberto Gaetano; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nhklein@xxxxxxx; 
> >> carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> >> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> >>
> >> Roberto,
> >>
> >> They are those regularly contributing to the GA who are
> not addicted
> >> to personal career, financial interests, benefits or false timid 
> >> loyalty.
> >> No, you have not missed anything. Neither a straw poll nor
> a common
> >> decision has been, unfortunately, issued yet.
> >>
> >> If they were they would be ignored much like all others in
> the past.
> >> That is the main reason why many formerly active contributors are 
> >> feeling frustrated and are not willing to participate on the game 
> >> played on the public.
> >>
> >> By the way, the only official relevant straw poll results
> gathered so
> >> far at GNSO having gained a majority (110 votes,
> >> 64%) votes in favour of the AGP elimination have been similarly 
> >> brushed away, not worth mentioning in the Final Report. Do
> you really
> >> think you would be interested in a straw poll conducted on the GA?
> >>
> >> I just want ICANN to be honest and say it in fact prefers the 
> >> top-down instead of the bottom-up. And, that public input can be 
> >> prospectively considered at sole discretion of the staff and the 
> >> board. Get rid of all those core values related to it and
> that's it. 
> >> It would be clear and fair. I would accept it.
> >> I would say ok, bye-bye, and would leave ICANN definitely.
> >> But please do not play (I mean all ICANN staffers here) that 
> >> transparent game on us. It is already embarrassing.
> >>
> >> ICANN needs self-confident people in constituencies who are not 
> >> frightened and scared of expressing and standing for their own 
> >> opinions.
> >> Do not mistake compromise for backdown. A compromise is made as a 
> >> result of proper deliberation on reasonable and valid arguments 
> >> presented by constituencies and public input on equal
> basis. How can
> >> we be deliberating on something that was excluded from discussion 
> >> from the very beginning?
> >>
> >> Roberto, you are at the second highest position at ICANN. Get 
> >> involved in the increase of the public participation if,
> of course,
> >> you find it important. ICANN has been at crossroad for some past 
> >> years; either it will follow the existing hidden top-down model or 
> >> try making it an open organization with influential public 
> >> participation. You can influence it.
> >>
> >> Dominik
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@xxxxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:48 PM
> >> To: Dominik Filipp; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nhklein@xxxxxxx; 
> >> carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> >> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> >>
> >> Dominik Filipp wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > We on the GNSO GA, however, believe the motion is
> insufficient and
> >> > still vulnerable to possible abuse.
> >>
> >> We who?
> >>
> >> If there was some decision in this sense, or at least a
> straw poll, I
> >> missed it.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Roberto
> >