[ga] GALAC polling [was: Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments]

[JFC Morfin <jefsey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Chris,
one of our members proposed this for @large ALSes. We could think it 
as a joint project. france@large has started working unformally on it 
and retained a domain name. We should find a good tool for that, with 
the possibility to follow trend analysis, to send status reports by 
mail, to compile comments, etc.
jfc


At 00:03 08/05/2008, chris@xxxxxx wrote:


> Roberto, how about setting up a poll where all members of the ga 
> list can answer and show they have a consensus one way or the other. 
> And Roberto, the ga has had positions in the past that were 
> practically unanimous and the recommendations were still ignored, so 
> maybe it really does have something to do with top down management 
> after all. History chows that to be the case. To deny that is to 
> pretty much just be lying.
> Chris McElroy
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roberto Gaetano" <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "'Dominik Filipp'" <dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx>; 
> <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <nhklein@xxxxxxx>; <carlos.souza@xxxxxx>
> Cc: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 5:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
>
>
> > I was just noting that you did tell the NCUC representatives that the GA has
> > a position, while in reality this is not supported by facts.
> > Maybe this is the main reason why the GA is not taken seriously, and the
> > top-down vs. bottom-up has very little to do with it.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Roberto
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dominik Filipp [mailto:dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 06 May 2008 12:31
> > > To: Roberto Gaetano; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nhklein@xxxxxxx;
> > > carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> > > Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> > >
> > > Roberto,
> > >
> > > They are those regularly contributing to the GA who are not
> > > addicted to personal career, financial interests, benefits or
> > > false timid loyalty.
> > > No, you have not missed anything. Neither a straw poll nor a
> > > common decision has been, unfortunately, issued yet.
> > >
> > > If they were they would be ignored much like all others in the past.
> > > That is the main reason why many formerly active contributors
> > > are feeling frustrated and are not willing to participate on
> > > the game played on the public.
> > >
> > > By the way, the only official relevant straw poll results
> > > gathered so far at GNSO having gained a majority (110 votes,
> > > 64%) votes in favour of the AGP elimination have been
> > > similarly brushed away, not worth mentioning in the Final
> > > Report. Do you really think you would be interested in a
> > > straw poll conducted on the GA?
> > >
> > > I just want ICANN to be honest and say it in fact prefers the
> > > top-down instead of the bottom-up. And, that public input can
> > > be prospectively considered at sole discretion of the staff
> > > and the board. Get rid of all those core values related to it
> > > and that's it. It would be clear and fair. I would accept it.
> > > I would say ok, bye-bye, and would leave ICANN definitely.
> > > But please do not play (I mean all ICANN staffers here) that
> > > transparent game on us. It is already embarrassing.
> > >
> > > ICANN needs self-confident people in constituencies who are
> > > not frightened and scared of expressing and standing for
> > > their own opinions.
> > > Do not mistake compromise for backdown. A compromise is made
> > > as a result of proper deliberation on reasonable and valid
> > > arguments presented by constituencies and public input on
> > > equal basis. How can we be deliberating on something that was
> > > excluded from discussion from the very beginning?
> > >
> > > Roberto, you are at the second highest position at ICANN. Get
> > > involved in the increase of the public participation if, of
> > > course, you find it important. ICANN has been at crossroad
> > > for some past years; either it will follow the existing
> > > hidden top-down model or try making it an open organization
> > > with influential public participation. You can influence it.
> > >
> > > Dominik
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:48 PM
> > > To: Dominik Filipp; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nhklein@xxxxxxx;
> > > carlos.souza@xxxxxx
> > > Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments
> > >
> > > Dominik Filipp wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We on the GNSO GA, however, believe the motion is insufficient and
> > > > still vulnerable to possible abuse.
> > >
> > > We who?
> > >
> > > If there was some decision in this sense, or at least a straw
> > > poll, I missed it.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Roberto