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[ga] GALAC polling [was: Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments]

  • To: <chris@xxxxxx>, "Roberto Gaetano" <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>, "'Dominik Filipp'" <dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx>, <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <nhklein@xxxxxxx>, <carlos.souza@xxxxxx>
  • Subject: [ga] GALAC polling [was: Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments]
  • From: JFC Morfin <jefsey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 16:26:15 +0200


Chris,
one of our members proposed this for @large ALSes. We could think it as a joint project. france@large has started working unformally on it and retained a domain name. We should find a good tool for that, with the possibility to follow trend analysis, to send status reports by mail, to compile comments, etc.
jfc


At 00:03 08/05/2008, chris@xxxxxx wrote:


Roberto, how about setting up a poll where all members of the ga list can answer and show they have a consensus one way or the other. And Roberto, the ga has had positions in the past that were practically unanimous and the recommendations were still ignored, so maybe it really does have something to do with top down management after all. History chows that to be the case. To deny that is to pretty much just be lying.

Chris McElroy


----- Original Message ----- From: "Roberto Gaetano" <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Dominik Filipp'" <dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx>; <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <nhklein@xxxxxxx>; <carlos.souza@xxxxxx>
Cc: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments


I was just noting that you did tell the NCUC representatives that the GA has
a position, while in reality this is not supported by facts.
Maybe this is the main reason why the GA is not taken seriously, and the
top-down vs. bottom-up has very little to do with it.

Cheers,
Roberto



-----Original Message-----
From: Dominik Filipp [mailto:dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, 06 May 2008 12:31
To: Roberto Gaetano; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nhklein@xxxxxxx;
carlos.souza@xxxxxx
Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments

Roberto,

They are those regularly contributing to the GA who are not
addicted to personal career, financial interests, benefits or
false timid loyalty.
No, you have not missed anything. Neither a straw poll nor a
common decision has been, unfortunately, issued yet.

If they were they would be ignored much like all others in the past.
That is the main reason why many formerly active contributors
are feeling frustrated and are not willing to participate on
the game played on the public.

By the way, the only official relevant straw poll results
gathered so far at GNSO having gained a majority (110 votes,
64%) votes in favour of the AGP elimination have been
similarly brushed away, not worth mentioning in the Final
Report. Do you really think you would be interested in a
straw poll conducted on the GA?

I just want ICANN to be honest and say it in fact prefers the
top-down instead of the bottom-up. And, that public input can
be prospectively considered at sole discretion of the staff
and the board. Get rid of all those core values related to it
and that's it. It would be clear and fair. I would accept it.
I would say ok, bye-bye, and would leave ICANN definitely.
But please do not play (I mean all ICANN staffers here) that
transparent game on us. It is already embarrassing.

ICANN needs self-confident people in constituencies who are
not frightened and scared of expressing and standing for
their own opinions.
Do not mistake compromise for backdown. A compromise is made
as a result of proper deliberation on reasonable and valid
arguments presented by constituencies and public input on
equal basis. How can we be deliberating on something that was
excluded from discussion from the very beginning?

Roberto, you are at the second highest position at ICANN. Get
involved in the increase of the public participation if, of
course, you find it important. ICANN has been at crossroad
for some past years; either it will follow the existing
hidden top-down model or try making it an open organization
with influential public participation. You can influence it.

Dominik


-----Original Message-----
From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:48 PM
To: Dominik Filipp; robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nhklein@xxxxxxx;
carlos.souza@xxxxxx
Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ga] Domain Tasting Reopened for Public Comments

Dominik Filipp wrote:

>
> We on the GNSO GA, however, believe the motion is insufficient and
> still vulnerable to possible abuse.

We who?

If there was some decision in this sense, or at least a straw
poll, I missed it.

Cheers,
Roberto






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