Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Roberto and all,

  No in and of itself, is always polite, with or without an
explanation/excuse,
lame or not.

Roberto Gaetano wrote:

> It was indeed a polite no.
> Maybe we have lost the habit of politeness?
>
> Cheers,
> Roberto
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
> > Sent: 10 July 2007 03:10
> > To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ga
> > Subject: RE: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > I am not sure why you concluded that Avri did not answer your request:
> > She said, and I repeat, "I also believe that if the council
> > is (to) get work done, it is critical that the council list
> > remain a council member's list with posting only by council,
> > liaisons and relevant staff."  I certainly do not mean to be
> > flip, but I understand that to be a 'no' with regard to your request.
> >
> > Chuck Gomes
> >
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> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:53 PM
> > > To: ga
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council
> > >
> > > Avri and all,
> > >
> > >   The GNSO council archives is already available to all to
> > read.  That
> > > was not the nature of my request.
> > > So again, my request which given your response it seems you
> > missed or
> > > did not understand correctly was: "I would like to ask you
> > kindly as
> > > the new GNSO chair if it would be possible to open up posting by
> > > anyone to the GNSO council's eMail address, council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx?"
> > >
> > >   Transparency and openness is not a half way thing, it
> > either exists
> > > on a two way basis or it does not exist.  The bit is on or
> > it is off.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>
> > > >Sent: Jul 9, 2007 11:36 AM
> > > >To: ga <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Subject: Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council
> > > >
> > > >Hi,
> > > >
> > > >While I think it is critical that the GNSO council list be
> > open for
> > > >reading by all, as well as meeting calls being recorded etc,
> > >  as part
> > > >of our effort to be transparent, I also believe that if the
> > > council is
> > > >get work done, it is critical that the council list remain
> > a council
> > > >member's list with posting only by council, liaisons and relevant
> > > >staff.
> > > >
> > > >I also beleive that this does not ignore the requirement for
> > > openness.
> > > >Not only is the GA list open to all, and followed by many in the
> > > >council, the board and ICANN staff, but there are open
> > consultations
> > > >that allow for input into the process and there is the recent
> > > >introduction of open GNSO Working Groups.  And while I am
> > > sure measures
> > > >for openness and transparency can be improved, and while I
> > > expect the
> > > >Board's Governance Committee Working Group on GNSO improvement to
> > > >suggest ways for further openness and transparency in their
> > > report, I
> > > >also believe we must find the proper balance between trying
> > > to get work
> > > >done in a timely manner (still a goal to be sure) and
> > > >listening/interacting to all voices on the issues.
> > > >
> > > >thanks
> > > >a.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On 9 jul 2007, at 03.58, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > >...
> > > >
> > > >> In that regard,
> > > >> I would like to ask you kindly as the new GNSO chair if it
> > > would be
> > > >> possible to open up posting by anyone to the GNSO
> > council's eMail
> > > >> address, council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx?
> > > >> In the sprit of openness and transparency, this would be
> > > appropriate
> > > >> as well as in abiding by ICANN's bylaws.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thank you for your consideration in this request, and
> > > again thank you
> > > >> for chiming in.  >:)
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
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Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Registered Email addr with the USPS
Contact Number: 214-244-4827