Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council

[Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Roberto Gaetano wrote:

> It was indeed a polite no.
> Maybe we have lost the habit of politeness?
>  
Well its a technology issue.  Indeed politeness as gone out the window 
with the internet.  But I don't think this is an issue of politeness.  
Its more if the reply was understandable in todays fast paced world of 
emails etc etc etc.  I appreciate the reply mind you.  It is consise.  
It is also bureacratic in it's speak - and you lose peoples attention 
when you decend into bureacratic or business language.

It all depends on if the author wishes to be understood in a broad context.

cheers
joe baptista

p.s. will we ever see funny hats at an icann meeting?

> Cheers,
> Roberto
>
>
>  
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
> > Sent: 10 July 2007 03:10
> > To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ga
> > Subject: RE: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > I am not sure why you concluded that Avri did not answer your request:
> > She said, and I repeat, "I also believe that if the council 
> > is (to) get work done, it is critical that the council list 
> > remain a council member's list with posting only by council, 
> > liaisons and relevant staff."  I certainly do not mean to be 
> > flip, but I understand that to be a 'no' with regard to your request.
> >
> > Chuck Gomes
> >
> > "This message is intended for the use of the individual or 
> > entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information 
> > that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure 
> > under applicable law. Any unauthorized use, distribution, or 
> > disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this 
> > message in error, please notify sender immediately and 
> > destroy/delete the original transmission." 
> >
> >
> >    
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:53 PM
> > > To: ga
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council
> > >
> > > Avri and all,
> > >
> > >  The GNSO council archives is already available to all to 
> > >      
> > read.  That 
> >    
> >
> > > was not the nature of my request.
> > > So again, my request which given your response it seems you 
> > >      
> > missed or 
> >    
> >
> > > did not understand correctly was: "I would like to ask you 
> > >      
> > kindly as 
> >    
> >
> > > the new GNSO chair if it would be possible to open up posting by 
> > > anyone to the GNSO council's eMail address, council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx?"
> > >
> > >  Transparency and openness is not a half way thing, it 
> > >      
> > either exists 
> >    
> >
> > > on a two way basis or it does not exist.  The bit is on or 
> > >      
> > it is off.
> >    
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >      
> > >
> > > > From: Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Jul 9, 2007 11:36 AM
> > > > To: ga <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Subject: Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > While I think it is critical that the GNSO council list be 
> > > >        
> > open for 
> >    
> >
> > > > reading by all, as well as meeting calls being recorded etc, 
> > > >        
> > > as part 
> > >      
> > >
> > > > of our effort to be transparent, I also believe that if the 
> > > >        
> > > council is 
> > >      
> > >
> > > > get work done, it is critical that the council list remain 
> > > >        
> > a council 
> >    
> >
> > > > member's list with posting only by council, liaisons and relevant 
> > > > staff.
> > > >
> > > > I also beleive that this does not ignore the requirement for 
> > > >        
> > > openness.  
> > >      
> > >
> > > > Not only is the GA list open to all, and followed by many in the 
> > > > council, the board and ICANN staff, but there are open 
> > > >        
> > consultations 
> >    
> >
> > > > that allow for input into the process and there is the recent 
> > > > introduction of open GNSO Working Groups.  And while I am 
> > > >        
> > > sure measures 
> > >      
> > >
> > > > for openness and transparency can be improved, and while I 
> > > >        
> > > expect the 
> > >      
> > >
> > > > Board's Governance Committee Working Group on GNSO improvement to 
> > > > suggest ways for further openness and transparency in their 
> > > >        
> > > report, I 
> > >      
> > >
> > > > also believe we must find the proper balance between trying 
> > > >        
> > > to get work 
> > >      
> > >
> > > > done in a timely manner (still a goal to be sure) and 
> > > > listening/interacting to all voices on the issues.
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > > a.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9 jul 2007, at 03.58, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > >        
> > > >
> > > > > In that regard,
> > > > > I would like to ask you kindly as the new GNSO chair if it 
> > > > >          
> > > would be 
> > >      
> > >
> > > > > possible to open up posting by anyone to the GNSO 
> > > > >          
> > council's eMail 
> >    
> >
> > > > > address, council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx?
> > > > > In the sprit of openness and transparency, this would be 
> > > > >          
> > > appropriate 
> > >      
> > >
> > > > > as well as in abiding by ICANN's bylaws.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for your consideration in this request, and 
> > > > >          
> > > again thank you 
> > >      
> > >
> > > > > for chiming in.  >:)
> > > > >
> > > > >          
> > > Regards,
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
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