Re: [ga] FW: Fee for disproportionate deletes in proposed .biz contract

["kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

No, jeff, my response was to you. You said he should resign because he
didn't answer Danny's questions the way you thought he should. Thats a
little harsh. Glad I could clarify that for you.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "icann board address" <icann-board@xxxxxxxxx>;
"Veni Markovski" <veni@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] FW: Fee for disproportionate deletes in proposed .biz
contract


> Chris and all former DNSO GA members or other interested
stakeholders/users,
>
>   I didn't state any response on this thread was harsh in any way.  Jefsey
> Morfin did however.  So perhaps you meant to respond to Jefsey's
> response on this thread. See:
> http://www.gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/msg04272.html
>
>   I also see no good reason why any member of this forum should
> consider relegation of any BoD member communicating with this forums
> participants as an improvement or a special consideration in any way.
>
> Veni's "acting like a politician" isn't really a concern or problem.
> However acting like a bad politician, is.  Hence in part, which I thought
> was evident in my responses was clear, why I have along with others,
> responded as I did.
>
> kidsearch wrote:
>
> > I don't think its that harsh Jeff. Yes, responses from board members
could
> > improve . . . a lot. With some of them any communication at all would be
an
> > improvement. At least Veni came onto the list. He is acting like a
> > politician unfortuantely, but we can hope he grows out of it.
> >
> > Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
> > http://icann.thingsthatjustpissmeoff.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "icann board address" <icann-board@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: "Veni Markovski" <veni@xxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ga] FW: Fee for disproportionate deletes in proposed .biz
> > contract
> >
> > > Veni and all former DNSO GA members or other interested
> > > stakeholders/uisers,
> > >
> > >   Your response below is inaccurate, did not address the fact you did
> > > not actually answer Danny's questions, and is also besides my point
> > > as to Danny not looking for "Guidance".  So again Veni, your
> > > obviscating.
> > > As such you have again demonstrated you are behaving very
> > > unprofessionally
> > > as a BoD member of ICANN and therefore should resign or be removed
> > > as a BoD member of ICANN.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Veni Markovski wrote:
> > >
> > > >    At 01:37 AM 04.8.2006 '?.'  -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > > >   Danny was not asking for "Guidance".
> > > >
> > > > When people start to forget, it's always good to remind them, and
> > > > luckily there are records of who said what in the mailing list. See
> > > > below.
> > > > So, to summarize:
> > > > Danny asked me a question, to which I responded.
> > > > I've asked Danny a question on why he is misusing private e-mails in
> > > > a public mailing list, to which he still hasn't responded "Please
> > > > stay focused on the real problem (which is of much greater import
> > > > than your views on my netiquette)".,  thus we have two facts: a)
I've
> > > > responded to his e-mail, and b) he hasn't said a word about his
> > > > behaviour.
> > > >
> > > > veni
> > > >
> > > > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:00:22 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Subject: Re: [ga] FW: Fee for disproportionate deletes in proposed
> > > > .biz  contract
> > > > To: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>, Veni Markovski
> > > > <veni@xxxxxxxx>,
> > > >          "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > Veni,
> > > > []
> > > > I have asked an ICANN Board member (yourself), in good
> > > > faith, for guidance on how to best deal with a serious
> > > > matter that now concerns four different registry
> > > > operators.  I look forward to your constructive
> > > > remarks.
> > > >
> > > > to which I've responded:
> > > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 05:06:55 -0400
> > > > To: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>, Veni Markovski
> > > > <veni@xxxxxxxx>,
> > > >          "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > From: Veni Markovski <veni@xxxxxxxx>
> > > > Subject: Re: [ga] FW: Fee for disproportionate deletes in proposed
> > > > .biz
> > > >     contract
> > > >
> > > > Danny,
> > > > 1. The proper channel to ask ICANN questions about its activities,
is
> > > > through the Chair of the Board, or the President.
> > > > 2. Asking individual directors for their "guidance" is not the right
> > > > way to deal with an organization.
> > > > 3. Your desire to look for guidance from individual directors is
> > > > understandabel, as the history of ICANN is full with strong
> > > > individuals, who may have been giving guidance to you before.
> > > > 4. It's better for the broader Internet community to have a strong
> > > > ICANN, than just strong individuals with desire to give guidance
when
> > > > asked.
> > > > 5. As for your questions, see the minutes of our January meeting.
And
> > > > note - I do not make comments, or give the "guidance" you requested.
> > > > Neither you should expect me to comment on this - if you need the
> > > > comments, read point # 1 above.
> > > >
> > > > attached quote:
> > > > http://www.icann.org/minutes/minutes-10jan06.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > --
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > > "Obediance of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> > >    Abraham Lincoln
> > >
> > > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> > > very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
> > >
> > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> > > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> > > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > > United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> > > ===============================================================
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> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
> "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
>    Abraham Lincoln
>
> "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>
> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> ===============================================================
> Updated 1/26/04
> CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
> ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
> E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  Registered Email addr with the USPS
> Contact Number: 214-244-4827
>
>
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