[ga] Re: As Chair

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

Sorry there Mr. Palmer,
 
These name callings are not permissable in a truly moderated and republished 
list:
Evil
Liar 
Vile
 
No matter how they are couched, if the intent is to label then the use of such 
words is not acceptable.  If truth is your defense, forget about it. You do 
well not to respond to further email on this subject as your sophistication 
does not reach a level worthy of more debate.
Your personal motives are transparent and not in good way.

--- On Thu, 5/6/10, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: As Chair
To: "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>, Glen@xxxxxxxxx, "Matthew Pemble" 
<matthew@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 5:39 PM



No, I have made no formal complaint this time, though I have in the past.
 
Me banned? For what reason?
 
I challenged Joe's nonsense on this list and demanded that he prove his 
statements.
 
I did not slander and defame anyone nor engage in the nonsense that Joe has 
been 
committing for the past 20 years on lists and forums all over the internet and 
on 
BBS's and fax machines years before that.
 
I answered evil with truth. There is a difference.
 
Cheers,
John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Hugh Dierker 
To: Glen@xxxxxxxxx ; Matthew Pemble ; John Palmer 
Cc: Joe Baptista ; Accountability Headquarters ; 
baptista-offenses@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 7:20 PM
Subject: As Chair






Mr. Palmer,
 
Besides from opnenly and transparently on this list, did you make any 
complaints regarding Joe Baptista's posting?
 
You can see what I am getting at. Is Joe's removal from this list due to a 
request that you made?
 
You are important to this list. I do not agree/sanction/ or even like your 
posts most of the time. But I like the fact that you may/can post here. I for 
one will do what I can to maintain your right to do so. I hope that you see 
that in all logic, if Joe is banned so must you be. If somehow Mr. Fowlie can 
convince me that Joe should be banned then I am sure he will convince himself 
that you must also be banned. That would be bad. Next would be all anarchists, 
then all independents, then the Green party members.......
What I hope will come of this will be that Mr. Fowlie agrees that we would like 
some assistance in creating a more productive GA.  That that would be good for 
ICANN and our International Netizenship. That the best way to minimalize the 
noise to signal ratio is to increase productive participation so that 
non-productive has a reasonable ratio.

--- On Thu, 5/6/10, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] Out of the Blue
To: "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>, Glen@xxxxxxxxx, "Matthew Pemble" 
<matthew@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Joe Baptista" <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Accountability Headquarters" 
<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, baptista-offenses@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 4:31 PM





No, what happened is that Joe finally crossed a line and it was probably his 
accusations that
Debbie was having an affair with someone. 
 
Joe can get much, much worse than this, whomever suspended him spared us all 
some real
vile stuff. 
 
Again, the links below show what you are dealing with here - at least 2 decades 
of this kind of
behavior:
 
http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg03817.html
 
http://www.tranquileye.com/magic/magic_stuff/Toronto_Net_loons.htm
 
http://lair.lionpost.net/pipermail/baptista-offenses/2010-April/000021.html
 
http://inaic.com/index.php?p=internet-terror

 
The best situation would be for the GA to throw him off the list permanently. 
How many
more chances do you want to give him before you realize that he is not going to 
change?
 
I won't say more on this - he's gone. All I ever do is challenge his lies when 
he tells
them, and if he isn't here to tell them, I need say no more. 
 
Cheers,
John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Hugh Dierker 
To: Glen@xxxxxxxxx ; Matthew Pemble 
Cc: Joe Baptista ; Accountability Headquarters 
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:06 PM
Subject: [ga] Out of the Blue






Dearest Matthew and Joe,
 
Well it would appear that someone pissed someone off up toward ICANN bigwig 
land.  Looks like the Patrick Jones scenario all over again. I had already 
taken the appropriate action and censored Joe for naughty written conduct here 
on the GA List.
 
Clearly Matthew posted the listed and referred to email. Clearly the language 
used in that posting is not a per se violation of any of our rules as approved 
by the GNSO, with Avri acting as Chair.
 
I question the legal advice that Mr. Fowlie must be getting. What he is doing 
is exactly what Andrew McGlaughlan the Counsel for ICANN told ICANN not to do. 
If ICANN censors and edits what can be placed on this list they become a 
publisher. So now I guess Fowlie is our editor-in-chief and responsible for 
content herein.
 
They invited attendance at a face to face. I will attend as sitting chair de 
facto and will present your point of view if you would like. Although I must be 
realistic and assume they will retract that offer.
 
I remain at your service here in the great southern California Home of ICANN.
 
Eric Dierker

--- On Thu, 5/6/10, Matthew Pemble <matthew@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Matthew Pemble <matthew@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] RE: Removal from GA list
To: Glen@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Frank Fowlie" <frank.fowlie@xxxxxxxxx>, "Joe Baptista" 
<baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>, 
"ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> GA" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thurel=nofollow>http://www.icann.org/ombudsman/
<much snipped> 

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:10 AM, Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Mr Baptista,

Your posting rights to the GA list have been suspended because of inappropriate 
postings to this list such as:

http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg03913.html

Glen de Saint Géry
GNSO Secretariat
gnso.secr target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.icann.org/ombudsman/
<much snipped> 

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:10 AM, Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Mr Baptista,

Your posting rights to the GA list have been suspended because of inappropriate 
postings to this list such as:

http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg03913.html

Glen de Saint Géry
GNSO Secretariat
gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://gnso.icann.org 







 
I'll be the first to admit that I don't exactly hold a candle for Joe but that 
was my email  ...  If there is something wrong in it (and apart from Joe who 
probably has a legitimate complaint that I'm not exactly being nice to him, I 
can only think that it is the last paragraph that might upset ICANN), surely it 
should be taken up with me and me banned, not Joe?

Matthew


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