Re: [ga] This list.....

[Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

OK .. that clarifies things ... I think I owe you an apology and a DoctorQ
review.

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Debbie Garside
<debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

>  That working group completed its work some 2.5 years ago and prior to my
> participation within the GA .  It has since been disbanded. I was an invited
> observer only - courtesy of the UK GAC rep at that time.
>
> I am not active in any other ICANN WGs and have received no "cookies".
>

I think I made two mistakes here. I'll address them individually as I reply.

I have obviously been misinformed concerning your cookies. I therefore
apologize.

But this also makes me angry. You were screwed and have no compensation to
show for your efforts. You became another willing victim in the ICANN
bullshit games to silence Jeffery. And you did it all for free.

May I remind you that we, being you, me and Hugh reviewed the complaint
submitted by Patrick Jones (ICANN staff member) against Jeffery Williams.

May I further remind you that we in committee decided the complaint from
Patrick was frivolous and vexatious. We further were able to conclude and
prove that indeed Patrick did once work for a NAZI as Jeffery correctly
claimed. As always and on investigation it was crystal clear that Jeffery
was telling the truth about Patrick's NAZI connections.

So you then participated in an ICANN sponsored cover-up - violated the
agreements you had with myself and Hugh and proceeded to play a game in
which you denied Jeffery access to the GA. And when I defended Jeffery
against your and ICANNs unauthorized actions you then denied me access to
the GA. You acted in collusion with ICANN and didn't get payed? No cookies?

You did it all for free and they didn't even offer you a merit badge?

I think they used you, screwed you and abandoned you. !Dr. Garside my second
mistake was recommending you for membership in the DoctorQ. The
recommendation was based on a false assumption that you got your ICANN
cookie for the job you did. I was wrong there too. The DoctorQ maintains
minimum standards and getting screwed for free is not on the list.

However I also recognize you are a victim in this. Someday you may earn your
doctoral wings when you realize hoe they used you. Maybe you know already.
My dismay is more with ICANN that they didn't even offer you a cookie.

This is one of the most important forums on the Internet and you successful
turned it into a dog breakfast for ICANN. And they didn't even offer you a
cookie.

Now I ask you one more question. Now that I know they abandoned you and have
not given you a cookie - the next question on my mind is if there is any
relationship between you and the ICANN staff member in question?

This little revelation has only caused me more confusion. You only have to
review the archives from that time period to know that you went a little
kooky when you took over the dictatorship of the GA. So like any detective I
ask the question why. I have three viable choices or solutions. 1) you are a
little kooky and from time to time exhibit abnormal behavior (I disagree
with this one) 2) You got a cookie in repayment for the damage you did here
(you deny this) or 3) Sex - which always makes people kooky. Sex is after
all a chemical imbalance. Or is there a 4th option I'm not getting.

Fill in the blanks for me here !Dr. Garside. Why did you do it?

regards
joe baptista



>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* publicroot.info@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:publicroot.info@xxxxxxxxx] *On
> Behalf Of *Joe Baptista
> *Sent:* 30 April 2010 16:31
>
> *To:* debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Cc:* ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: [ga] This list.....
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Debbie Garside <
> debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>  You are indeed wrong!
>>
>
> ??? http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/jointwg.htm
>
> regards
> joe baptista
>
>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>>  *From:* publicroot.info@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:publicroot.info@xxxxxxxxx] *On
>> Behalf Of *Joe Baptista
>> *Sent:* 30 April 2010 16:08
>>
>> *To:* debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Cc:* ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: [ga] This list.....
>>
>>   I may be wrong Debbie. Maybe ICANN didn't give you a cookie. But I
>> clearly remember you being appointed or posted to some IDN working group. Am
>> I mistaken?
>>
>> cheers
>> joe
>>
>> p.s. when you get your doctorate - let me know and I'll add you to the
>> doctorQ. And don't forget if you want to play dictator here you need to get
>> your pals at ICANN to deliver on their promises and provide us the necessary
>> facilities.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Debbie Garside <
>> debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>  Joe wrote:
>>>
>>> "But you did. After you resigned as list monitor what committee were you
>>> appointed to? You can answer that one for us."
>>>
>>> I have not been appointed to any ICANN committees.  I am too busy with my
>>> PhD.  Imagine that... I will be able to call myself Dr. Debbie... Gosh... I
>>> really will fit in well here with all you other Doctors
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Debbie
>>>
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *From:* publicroot.info@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:publicroot.info@xxxxxxxxx] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Joe Baptista
>>> *Sent:* 29 April 2010 13:23
>>> *To:* debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> *Cc:* ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ga] This list.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 4:22 AM, Debbie Garside <
>>> debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Joe wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "She must be a good negotiator - she has been well rewarded. "
>>>>
>>>> How so?  As far as I know I have not received any rewards, inducements,
>>>> incentives or anything else you would like to accuse me of whilst I was 
>>>> List
>>>> Monitor.  I have not received any rewards either prior to or since - just 
>>>> in
>>>> case you were wondering :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> But you did. After you resigned as list monitor what committee were you
>>> appointed to? You can answer that one for us.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It would seem that people here miss my style of "dictatorship".
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you feel thats the case - then run for chair. Any support you think
>>> you have will be tabulated in the votes.
>>>
>>> As for the above statement - I hope your not begging me again to be list
>>> monitor. You made a farce of this list - it's rules and processes - and the
>>> agreements we had between us plus chair
>>>
>>> A ruling was made that the allegations by an icann staff member (Patrick
>>> I think it was) were vexatious. You overruled our decision and made a farce
>>> of it all. So you have lost my trust.
>>>
>>> But you may very well be right. This place may need a dictatorship. Let's
>>> vote.
>>>
>>> Speak to your ICANN masters - just follow the leash from collar to hand -
>>> tell them to give us our voting rights and provide the facilities to vote -
>>> and you can offer yourself up as Chair.
>>>
>>>
>>>  I have to say, I don't read this list very often, and I don't miss it
>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I bet you read it all the time ... late at night ... under the covers ...
>>> while pacing yourself with chatroulette. Just kidding ;)
>>>
>>> Seriously Debbie. I think the stunt you pulled as monitor and the small
>>> morsel you got back for it was not worth the effort.
>>>
>>> You made it very clear back then your intent was to kill the GA. It
>>> didn't work. But as Chair you may be able to swing it.
>>>
>>> kindest regards
>>> joe baptista
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Debbie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Joe Baptista
>>>> *Sent:* 29 April 2010 03:25
>>>> *To:* ken stubbs
>>>> *Cc:* ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ga] This list.....
>>>>
>>>>   Ken. What a pleasure to see you speak up. There must be a fire
>>>> somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Your someone who is very close to ICANN. Tell them we need them to
>>>> provide their side of the bargain and give us our right to vote back. You
>>>> want a civil forum - we need an election.
>>>>
>>>> Also I have lost complete faith with ICANN since the Debbie incident.
>>>> She must be a good negotiator - she has been well rewarded. I'm glad in 
>>>> fact
>>>> that is the case because she did a good job of showing everyone on the GA
>>>> what a dictatorship would be like under debbie. Thank God she resigned. Did
>>>> you engineer that bit of nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway ... send it up the pipe. Time for an election.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> joe baptista
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:22 PM, ken stubbs <kstubbs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken Stubbs wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been a subscriber to this list for almost 12 years now and have
>>>>> seen
>>>>> the value diminsh significantly because of threads like this one..
>>>>>
>>>>> Its sad to see a forum for discussion, (purportedly ICANN related),
>>>>> degenerate
>>>>> to this level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully subscribers can still find some value in it, but, I am
>>>>> rapidly losing hope that
>>>>> this goal is attainable..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/28/2010 2:26 PM, Thomas Baxter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >AHA
>>>>> >- Here you can see more of joes lieing - Joe send an e-mail to this
>>>>> law
>>>>> >>person and TELLS the law person that HE (joe) is thinking that some
>>>>> >laws are
>>>>> >>broke and impys this to the law person.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>The law person being political, wants to say "YES, HUMMM HUMMM" and
>>>>> not
>>>>> >>contredect some member of the public and then tell joe that if there
>>>>> is
>>>>> >a criminal
>>>>> >>that ok, to call the police.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>Notice that the law person DID NOT SAY THAT THEY AGREED OR KNOWS ANY
>>>>> >>INDEPENDENCE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS - ONLY THEY LISTEND TO JOES
>>>>> VERSION
>>>>> >>AND RELYED ON THIS ONLY.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>Do you all see the nature of this scams from Joe - do you see how he
>>>>> >trys to
>>>>> >>lie and fool all persons? He tries to make you think that the person
>>>>> >WAS SAYING
>>>>> >>THAT THERE IS A BROKE LAW AND CRIMINALS AND AGREES WITH JOE - THAT
>>>>> >>IS **********NOT************** AT ALL WHAT THE POLITICIEN SAID -
>>>>> >>READ THIS CAREFULY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>BEWARE.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >BAX! Names Allentown
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Joe Baptista
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Joe Baptista
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>>
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> Joe Baptista
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