RE: [ga] This list.....

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

Not very good.  Should I dare say... Sophomoric?  It suggests that we live in 
world with no adult contract, moral or statutory obligations.  The way 
enlightened governance works is that the individuals have the freedoms and the 
institutions have the restrictions -- not your way. ICANN is under a duty to 
serve. The GA participants are not. ICANN has contracts to act in a certain 
way. GA participants do not. GA has duties as prescribed any entity contracting 
with a government. The GA does not. 
 
Most importantly ICANN has an obligation for transparency, accountability and 
openness. The GA serves a very important function, to make note of these in a 
reality check. It is subscribed to and reviewed by at least folks from at least 
50 nations, Senators, Engineers, lawyers, polywogs, investors, entrepeneurs 
......  It does not have a task of producing papers and it is not at all 
beholding due to funding.  It is visited by current and past board members, Law 
and policy workers, Staff, registrars and registrants.
 
Lately, without structure or need for structure it has been exploring and 
examining the failures and underbelly of the closest thing to a competitor to 
ICANN.  We should not review or approach the GA like a youngster on their first 
science experiment -- do the assignment to come up with a result,,, but rather 
watching and seeing what results occur.
 
I note that in your limited involvement as of late you address only the 
failures of the GA and not any substantive issues regarding Internet Governance 
or standard settings. Interesting that you complain of peoplle doing the same.

--- On Fri, 4/30/10, Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [ga] This list.....
To: "'Joe Baptista'" <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 11:21 AM



Joe wrote:
 
"And don't forget if you want to play dictator here you need to get your pals 
at ICANN to deliver on their promises and provide us the necessary facilities."
 
I think the great shame of this situation is that there are a lot of people 
within this forum with huge amounts of knowledge that could contribute greatly 
to the efforts of ICANN in providing workable solutions to the everyday 
problems that any organization tasked with managing the internet in terms of 
stability, interoperability and, most importantly, security will undoubtedly 
face.  I would include you, Jeff and Eric in this group of people.
 
You have the knowledge but the shame is that you choose to use it in a 
destructive way.  This is why the GA will never work again.  Until people like 
you decide to play with the home team there is no hope for the GA.  
Unfortunately, what you don't realise, is that you are playing right into 
ICANN's hands.  ICANN can quite rightly say that they have a General Assembly 
that anyone may participate in.  The fact that no one does is down to the likes 
of you, Jeff and Eric and maybe one or two more.  You make it easy for ICANN to 
ignore the general public as nothing tangible ever comes out of this forum.  
 
Why don't you try to put your knowledge to good use?






From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe 
Baptista
Sent: 30 April 2010 16:08
To: debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ga] This list.....


I may be wrong Debbie. Maybe ICANN didn't give you a cookie. But I clearly 
remember you being appointed or posted to some IDN working group. Am I mistaken?

cheers
joe

p.s. when you get your doctorate - let me know and I'll add you to the doctorQ. 

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:




Joe wrote:
 
"But you did. After you resigned as list monitor what committee were you 
appointed to? You can answer that one for us."
 
I have not been appointed to any ICANN committees.  I am too busy with my 
PhD.  Imagine that... I will be able to call myself Dr. Debbie... Gosh... I 
really will fit in well here with all you other Doctors 
 
;-)
 
Debbie






From: publicroot.info@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:publicroot.info@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Joe Baptista
Sent: 29 April 2010 13:23
To: debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 



Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ga] This list.....








On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 4:22 AM, Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:




Joe wrote:
 
"She must be a good negotiator - she has been well rewarded. "
 
How so?  As far as I know I have not received any rewards, inducements, 
incentives or anything else you would like to accuse me of whilst I was List 
Monitor.  I have not received any rewards either prior to or since - just in 
case you were wondering :-)

But you did. After you resigned as list monitor what committee were you 
appointed to? You can answer that one for us.
 



 
It would seem that people here miss my style of "dictatorship".  

If you feel thats the case - then run for chair. Any support you think you have 
will be tabulated in the votes.

As for the above statement - I hope your not begging me again to be list 
monitor. You made a farce of this list - it's rules and processes - and the 
agreements we had between us plus chair

A ruling was made that the allegations by an icann staff member (Patrick I 
think it was) were vexatious. You overruled our decision and made a farce of it 
all. So you have lost my trust.

But you may very well be right. This place may need a dictatorship. Let's vote.

Speak to your ICANN masters - just follow the leash from collar to hand - tell 
them to give us our voting rights and provide the facilities to vote - and you 
can offer yourself up as Chair.





I have to say, I don't read this list very often, and I don't miss it either.

I bet you read it all the time ... late at night ... under the covers ... while 
pacing yourself with chatroulette. Just kidding ;)

Seriously Debbie. I think the stunt you pulled as monitor and the small morsel 
you got back for it was not worth the effort.

You made it very clear back then your intent was to kill the GA. It didn't 
work. But as Chair you may be able to swing it.

kindest regards
joe baptista

 


 
Debbie
 




From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe 
Baptista
Sent: 29 April 2010 03:25
To: ken stubbs
Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ga] This list.....





Ken. What a pleasure to see you speak up. There must be a fire somewhere.

Your someone who is very close to ICANN. Tell them we need them to provide 
their side of the bargain and give us our right to vote back. You want a civil 
forum - we need an election.

Also I have lost complete faith with ICANN since the Debbie incident. She must 
be a good negotiator - she has been well rewarded. I'm glad in fact that is the 
case because she did a good job of showing everyone on the GA what a 
dictatorship would be like under debbie. Thank God she resigned. Did you 
engineer that bit of nonsense.

Anyway ... send it up the pipe. Time for an election.

regards
joe baptista


On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:22 PM, ken stubbs <kstubbs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Ken Stubbs wrote:

I have been a subscriber to this list for almost 12 years now and have
seen
the value diminsh significantly because of threads like this one..

Its sad to see a forum for discussion, (purportedly ICANN related),
degenerate
to this level.

Hopefully subscribers can still find some value in it, but, I am
rapidly losing hope that
this goal is attainable..



On 4/28/2010 2:26 PM, Thomas Baxter wrote:

>AHA
>- Here you can see more of joes lieing - Joe send an e-mail to this law
>>person and TELLS the law person that HE (joe) is thinking that some
>laws are
>>broke and impys this to the law person.
>
>>The law person being political, wants to say "YES, HUMMM HUMMM" and not
>>contredect some member of the public and then tell joe that if there is
>a criminal
>>that ok, to call the police.
>
>>Notice that the law person DID NOT SAY THAT THEY AGREED OR KNOWS ANY
>>INDEPENDENCE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS - ONLY THEY LISTEND TO JOES VERSION
>>AND RELYED ON THIS ONLY.
>
>>Do you all see the nature of this scams from Joe - do you see how he
>trys to
>>lie and fool all persons? He tries to make you think that the person
>WAS SAYING
>>THAT THERE IS A BROKE LAW AND CRIMINALS AND AGREES WITH JOE - THAT
>>IS **********NOT************** AT ALL WHAT THE POLITICIEN SAID -
>>READ THIS CAREFULY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>>BEWARE.
>
>
>BAX! Names Allentown






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