Re: [ga] Problems kick-starting the Inclusive Namespace

[Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Sorry about my delay in response - but I felt people here needed a well
deserved break from the train wreak that is the Palmer Xennt posse.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:46 AM, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:

>  Thats not true, Joe, it is lack of financial and political desire. Our
> best bet was to get some support
> from the those who wanted to get out from under ICANN control.
>

John it has nothing to do with finance or political desire. There is plenty
of money and political desire to get out from under ICANN.

Also the INAIC/Public-Root scam had lots of backers. We had plenty of
financing.

The financing went south because people don't want to invest in scams or
scandals.


>
> We found that in the nation of Turkey and at the same time the large
> European ISP Tiscali.
>

You should also add to the ISP list Equant and SITA (network provider and
operator of the TLDs .TRAVEL and .SITA). And don't ever forget to mention
the U.A.E. and Saudi Arabia were next on the list of countries to be
converted away from the ICANN root.

Those were happy days.


>
> Joe was part of this effort and in the summer of 2005, he went to Holland
> to work on the project with Herman
>

Thats correct. I was involved from 2003 to 2005.


>  and when he got there, he tried, like Joe always does, to take over and
> boss people around and when
> they wouldn't let him do so, he turned on them and began his campaign of
> slander and lies.
>

No that is untrue. When I got there the first people who approached me were
unpaid consultants/employees. Even though we had made money there was no
money to be found to pay the consultants. Herman Xennt and Marcel Bor had
embezzled it all.

Next ... I had meetings with the UNIDT people - specifically Marty van Veluw
who told me about the various scams Herman Xennt was involved in. The same
goes for Andrew Dawe formerly of SITA who told me about Herman Xennt and the
ISA http://bit.ly/btzqdP another bogus organization associated with the
scam.

Then I had meetings with Martijn Burger who revealed to me that the member
organizational structure we had agreed to http://bit.ly/atUfZw was not in
fact what was delivered http://bit.ly/aKyVFy

This of course was confirmed to the TLDA as per the transcripts provided
http://bit.ly/9gTXgQ and independently confirmed by the Courts in Amsterdam
in the action titled "Xennt v. Burger" - which see the decision of the court
http://bit.ly/9mHRWK (Xennt lost).

Basically - Herman Xennt wanted to be the sole member and the sole person in
control of an international members organization.

I gave them one month to deliver on what was promised. They didn't - I went
public - and the curtain came down on the show.


> This scared the very conservative business types like those in Tiscali and
> the govt of Turkey.
>

As it should. And the conservative business types did check the facts.


> They perceived they
> were dealing with a bunch of squabbling weirdos and ran away from the
> project.
>

They were dealing with a bunch of squabbling weirdos. John in case you have
not noticed the way you act in public and the statements you make are just
like what one finds in the "trailer park boys" video or the Jerry Springer
show.

Running a public DNS service requires trust, stability, security etc. When
you act the way you do in public people lose confidence in your service and
the trust, stability and security fly south.

This is a pretty standard response when it comes to confidence.


>
> There is it - up in smoke. The one good chance that we had.
>

Thats right. The one good chance you guys had went up in smoke. There are
still many opportunities to come. However I doubt you or the Xennt posse
will ever be invited to the table again. Others have an opportunity to
achieve what the Xennt posse failed to do.


> I'm sure ICANN was breathing a sigh of relief.
>

They were. That is correct.


> Tom
> thinks Joe is a paid shill for ICANN because he always seems to screw up
> the INS just as its about to realize
> a success. I just think he is a control freak and psychotic whose attention
> has unfortunatly been caught by
> the INS.
>

What Tom thinks is neither here nor there. It's all about the evidence. It's
all about the facts. You'll notice I'm well documented with the facts and
provide ample references to support my claims. You however and your twin
Baxter don't.

Your arguments consist of name calling libel and slander campaigns.


> Thats the long and the short of it. Joe has spent every waking moment since
> then in his apartment in Peterborough,
> Ontario,
>

I don't live there anymore.


> concatenating files of useless information together to publish on his
> website about how everyone else is a crook
> and he is the savior of the internet.
>

I'm no savior of the Internet. But in my efforts I have saved people from
wasting their time and money on a scam. Thats reward in itself.


>
> Bottom line: He went to Holland and tried to boss people around and they
> wouldn't let him and this is what
> he does in response to their rebuff. I know Herman Xennt doesn't like to
> respond in these kind of fora, but
> he does monitor. I wish he would come on and give some more first hand
> detail of this debacle,
>

He won't. First Herman Xennt considers himself a constitutional monarch. He
is King of the Cyberbunker according to the archives - check it out -
http://bit.ly/c4Xs6m - worth a laugh or two.

As a constitutional monarch King Herman Xennt can not involve himself in
these petty arguments. Thats your job and I am sure his majesty is more then
grateful to you.



> but I can
> understand how was traumatized by Joe's behavior in the past and would want
> to avoid an encounter with
> him in the future.
>

I think Herman is a bit smarter then you in this instance. As for being
traumatized I take great pleasure in that. It is a rare when a con artist
who has traumatized so many is in turn traumatized himself.



>
> As for the TLDA, we are kind of in a dormant state.
>

I disagree. The TLDA is dead. It has lost the confidence of all members not
associated with the Xennt posse scam. The only people left in the TLDA are
the original con artists from the Xennt posse.

In fact I agree with the statement you made to the TLDA
http://bit.ly/bQmI12which clearly shows there is no interest. Nor will
there ever be any.


> Karl Peters has backed away, probably because he is tired of
> this stuff. Others are struggling with financial difficulties and family
> issues now.
>

Thats about all we have ever gotten from the TLDA. Excuses.


>
> As I always say, as much as a person can hold out hope, after awhile, if it
> looks like there is very little
> possibility of success, it is very, very hard to find motivation to work as
> hard as it would take to make this
> work out.
>

Excuses ....


>
> That being said, the INS does have infrastructure, it is real.
>
> We have two RSN, PublicRoot (www.public-root.com), WorldRoot (
> www.worldroot.net).
>

Again I ask you a simple question. Why should we trust your roots in light
of the facts presented here.


>
>  Now, there is the prospect that ICANN will steal what we worked for and
> give it away to someone else. If I did that with
> cars, I'd be in prison. Why can ICANN get away with it?
>

John don't blame ICANN for your shortcomings. You guys at the TLDA had an
opportunity to protect us the TLD holders and you failed. Finger pointing
does not work any more.


>
> That should be what we are talking about.
>
> Some of us keep the faith, even though its very lonely. I can tell you that
> my registry ops and LionMail COST me money, money
> that I pay out of my paycheck as a business consultant and software
> developer. I do it because I still have faith that
> somehow, something may work out.
>

Faith is irrelevant in this. If you want things to work out you need honest,
decent, upstanding people at the helm of the organization. Welfare bums,
trailer park trash and con artists don't make the cut.


> One of the things that I will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do is to allow Joe to
> spew his
> lies about the past, with out answer.  Like the holocaust deniers, Joe
> commits offenses, destroys lives and businesses and then tries to
> blame everyone else on what he caused. I will NEVER let those lies go
> unanswered.
>

oye - my jewish friends are cringing.


>
> I am younger than Joe, by about 20 years, best I can tell, and my only
> solace is that, all things being equal, I'll
> outlive him, and will have the last word.
>

You probably will outlive me and have the last word. I guess that will be
your consolation prize.

enjoy
joe baptista



>
> Cheers,
> John
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>  *From:* Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
> *Cc:* ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; abel wisman <abel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [ga] Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does
> is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a
> moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>
>>   For instance:  It would seem that the failure of the TLDA is a fine
>> indicator of a lack of political and financial desire that it exists.
>>
>
> Generally the community that supported it has all jumped ship. The only
> people left at the TLDA are the Herman Xennt posse.
>
> However I don't think that represents a lack of political and financial
> desire. The lack of interest is not in the TLDA but the people who control
> it.
>
>