Re: [ga] Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)

[Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


> For instance:  It would seem that the failure of the TLDA is a fine
> indicator of a lack of political and financial desire that it exists.
>

Generally the community that supported it has all jumped ship. The only
people left at the TLDA are the Herman Xennt posse.

However I don't think that represents a lack of political and financial
desire. The lack of interest is not in the TLDA but the people who control
it.



> Very much the same as the Registrants representation issue. The name
> calling and rewriting history and just down right vicious personal attacks
> are not a disease but a symptom.
>

I agree. The symptom here is failure. Failure is very painful. I crushed
their dreams. Vicious personal attacks is all they have left.


> Perhaps if we let more light shine upon them they will cease to have any
> deleterious effects.
>

I think it's working. And it helps. Incidentally - here is an interesting
story I found on INAIC/Public-Root posse with a quote from Kieran Baker at
ICANN.

enjoy
joe baptista

Jul 6, 8:17 PM EDT

Group Urges Splinter Internet for Turkey

By SELCAN HACAOGLU
Associated Press Writer

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- A Turkish group seeking to improve communications
technology is pushing the use of a splinter Internet network that might
avoid control by the United States.

The Turkish Informatics Association's recommendation comes as the U.S.
Commerce Department has announced it would indefinitely retain oversight of
the Internet's main traffic-directing computers, known as root servers.

A federation of independent root operators, The Public-Root, is trying to
become an alternative network with 13 root servers in 10 countries,
including Turkey.

The Turkish Informatics Association and Amsterdam-based Unified Identity
Technology want to use that alternative network to offer Internet addresses
that end in a company or individual name - such as "www.yourname" - without
".com" or a country code like ".tr" for Turkey.

Although the primary selling point is an easy-to-remember address, "the
system could also lead the way to an independent network for countries
concerned about increasing interference of the United States," said Turhan
Mentes, the Turkish group's chairman.

Other alternative root systems exist but most computers are configured to
use the official system, which the U.S. Commerce Department oversees through
the California-based Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or
ICANN.

Alternatives offer more flexibility in creating new suffixes but run the
risk of fracturing the Internet such that two users typing the same domain
name could reach entirely different Web sites, depending on where they are.

"All the benefits of a global interoperable Internet could be brought into
question," ICANN spokesman Kieran Baker said.

Turkey's Telecommunications Authority said any decision is unlikely for
several weeks. Mustafa Alkan, a senior official of the Telecommunications
Authority, stressed that Turkey was not seeking to avoid U.S. scrutiny but
rather ways to expand the use of the Internet in Turkey.

He said an alternative system, for example, could support addresses entirely
in Turkish; currently, all names must end in an English string.



>
> --- On *Sat, 4/3/10, abel wisman <abel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>
> From: abel wisman <abel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [ga] Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does is
> destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment
> with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)
> To: "'ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 2:40 AM
>
>
>  If you have to send all this nonsense to this maillist, can you please
> have the common decency to use a spell-checker and not use words that you
> have no clue on how to spell to begin with?
>
> Best of course woule be if you refrained from posting any of this rubbish.
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From*: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *To*: POST-TO GNSO LIST
> *Sent*: Sat Apr 03 04:53:45 2010
> *Subject*: Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does is destroy
> - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment with
> John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)
>  Joe joe joe
>
> You didnt answer the question that I just posed in my subj line, namely -
> what positive aspects did you ever
> give to the causes of the I.N.S.?
>
> We know you were sued by the police in Canada because you annoyed the local
> govt with your complaints
> that police officers shouldn't be able to stop for meals during their hard
> days of protection for the public good.
>
> The guy from the government, I think he said that your a bit of a kook or
> something like that, so
> the question should be asked loud:
>
> WHY SHOULD ANY PERSON TRUST ANY INFORMATION YOU SAY, JOE INCLUDING YOUR
> PARA NOID RAVINGS
> REGARDING HERMAN XENT?????????????????
>
> The way a lot of persons see the issue re Europe in around 2005 is that you
> did a deliberate sabatage when
> it looked like I.N.S. would actually succeed and you know the whole
> industry died off after your stabbed it
> around the heart.
>
> Sorry crackpott, but very few people think that this is only by accident.
>
> I think (and do do many peoples and companies, including some sovern
> goverments) that you did this
> on purpose to kill the chances of competition for icann are the person that
> does not have much credibles.
>
> I think you are paid from icann. You dont seem to have more visible
> supports and live with street people in
> a po dunk town in Ontaio. You called Karl a welfare bumb once - but what
> are you but even worse because
> at least Karl is an honest religion person with a nice family who tries
> hard.
>
> You, you are just a sell-off and trator.
>
> Sorry that the facts are pain, but there it is and all readers of experince
> know this to be real.
>
> Thoms.
>
> BAX! Names Allentown
> http://www.bax-names-allentown.com
> Computer setup, training, software and services
> Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD.
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* Thomas Baxter <baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx>
> *Cc:* POST-TO GNSO LIST <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Fri, April 2, 2010 10:23:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does is destroy
> - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment with
> John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)
>
> Dear Mr. John Palmer a.k.a. Thomas Baxter:
>
> I think it's an innovative approach sliming me while you market your
> services - but let's try to remain focused here. Your trying to sell people
> on using your "free" root services. My only question is - why should anyone
> trust you John Palmer or your alternate personality Thomas Baxter to provide
> them with DNS services?
>
> I would trust OpenDNS and even some of the OpenNIC servers for DNS. But I
> would never trust a man like John Palmer who leaves me psychotic messages
> http://bit.ly/5KxboD ???
>
> The provisioning of public DNS services "free" or "pay" is all about trust.
> Would you not agree Mr. Palmer a.k.a. Thomas Baxter. So once again I ask a
> simple question. Why should we trust you?
>
> regards
> joe baptista
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Thomas Baxter 
> <baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
>
>>  I dont see selling any root services here - the serverces are free to
>> anyone
>> if they want to just change their dns settings in their computer.
>>
>> You can get access to stuff you dont have now like the
>> http://lion-mail.net which offers spam free
>> private e mail and looks like you can win a new apple i pad by June 30
>> too.
>>
>> This is one benefit that the I.N.S. should publisize - because not many
>> people have
>> changed the dns settings, spammers cant get spams to your I.N.S. email
>> addies.
>>
>> But Joe, you are probably paid from icann to sabatage the I.N.S. This is
>> true or
>> you are sychotic, one of the two must be true.  So you shouldnt throw
>> rocks
>> at people who tried to make stuff work, like John and Bradley and Herman
>> Xennt.
>>
>> As much as I can tell, you have never created any values at all, all I see
>> from reviewing
>> your posting on the internet from day zero is destruction from you.
>>
>> Show us all what you have built in the I.N.S.  - (I can hear crickets
>> chirpping...).
>>
>> Thoms.
>>
>> BAX! Names Allentown
>> http://www.bax-names-allentown.com
>> Computer setup, training, software and services
>> Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD.
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* Joe Baptista 
>> <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >
>> *To:* Thomas Baxter 
>> <baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >
>> *Cc:* 
>> ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> *Sent:* Wed, March 31, 2010 7:16:28 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among
>> root servers
>>
>> I'm not the one selling root services here. You and your primary
>> personality Mr. Palmer are the ones using this forum to sell root services.
>> So I ask you again the question you have avoided answering - why should we
>> trust you Mr. Palmer?
>>
>> regards
>> joe baptista
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Thomas Baxter 
>> <baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>  Oh, so you have better root to use, then - please let us all know the
>>> ips of the servers and we
>>> will look in at it and see how much better. Oh, dont waste your time with
>>> recomending ICANN roots. t
>>> They are leaving out 90 percents of the TLDs
>>>
>>> BAX! Names Allentown
>>> http://www.bax-names-allentown.com
>>> Computer setup, training, software and services
>>> Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD.
>>>
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Joe Baptista 
>>> <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >
>>> *To:* John Palmer 
>>> <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Cc:* 
>>> ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Sent:* Mon, March 29, 2010 7:43:10 AM
>>> *Subject:* OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root
>>> servers
>>>
>>> Just to repeat my warning. Anyone willing to hand over resolution to
>>> WorldRoot or INAIC (a.k.a. Public-Root) is playing with fire.
>>>
>>> Once again John I ask you the questions I asked earlier. Why should we
>>> trust you or Herman and his posse to provide us with DNS service?
>>>
>>> Incidentally - who is this Herman chap. Does Herman have a full name :)
>>>
>>> John I ask you to remain focused on the discussion. More discussion on
>>> the topic and less advertisements if you don't mind.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> joe baptista
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:30 PM, John Palmer <
>>> jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>  This is what happens when you rely on one root server network. This
>>>> kind of thing is bound to happen.
>>>>
>>>> If you were using WorldRoot (http://worldroot.net) or PublicRoot (
>>>> http://www.public-root.com), you would
>>>> not be having so many problems.
>>>>
>>>> My posse and I and Herman and his group of engineers have been providing
>>>> alternatives for years,
>>>> in spite of Joe's best efforts to destroy our work.
>>>>
>>>> We're still here.
>>>>
>>>> Our roots are still available.
>>>>
>>>> And we have many more TLDs than ICANN.
>>>>
>>>> Try lion-mail.net yet? You should. Works like a charm.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>> *From:* Joe 
>>>> Baptista<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>  *To:* Hugh 
>>>> Dierker<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> *Cc:* 
>>>> ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>>>>  Andrew
>>>> McMeikan<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=andrewm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>>>>  Rod
>>>> Beckstrom<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rod.beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:41 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ga] censorship among root servers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Hugh Dierker 
>>>> <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   Andy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible that this censorship and suppression of the people is a
>>>>> good thing for the rest of us?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hugh - we don't yet know what happened. And ICANN has been silent. It
>>>> could be anyone behind this. I have seen some supporting evidence claiming
>>>> it was the Chinese. But I won't put much reliance on that evidence. The
>>>> claim is that a gateway in China did this. We know the Chinese run their 
>>>> own
>>>> root independent of ICANN. Maybe this was just an accident and a faulty
>>>> gateway leaked the China DNS. It could be anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>