Re: [ga] Problems kick-starting the Inclusive Namespace

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

So Joe,, put me in contact with these political heavyweights, and money boyz. I 
will kick start their Inclusive Namespace.
 
I believe the problem comes from Acadamia, politicians and engineers trying to 
run a business requiring hardwork and social skills -- the combination 
generally lacking in the above.  Engineers work very hard. Politicians have 
great social ability -- And Milton and the others from Acadamia have neither.

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:46 AM, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:



Thats not true, Joe, it is lack of financial and political desire. Our best bet 
was to get some support
from the those who wanted to get out from under ICANN control.

John it has nothing to do with finance or political desire. There is plenty of 
money and political desire to get out from under ICANN.

Also the INAIC/Public-Root scam had lots of backers. We had plenty of financing.

The financing went south because people don't want to invest in scams or 
scandals.
 


 
We found that in the nation of Turkey and at the same time the large European 
ISP Tiscali.

You should also add to the ISP list Equant and SITA (network provider and 
operator of the TLDs .TRAVEL and .SITA). And don't ever forget to mention the 
U.A.E. and Saudi Arabia were next on the list of countries to be converted away 
from the ICANN root.

Those were happy days.
 


 
Joe was part of this effort and in the summer of 2005, he went to Holland to 
work on the project with Herman 

Thats correct. I was involved from 2003 to 2005.
 



and when he got there, he tried, like Joe always does, to take over and boss 
people around and when
they wouldn't let him do so, he turned on them and began his campaign of 
slander and lies.

No that is untrue. When I got there the first people who approached me were 
unpaid consultants/employees. Even though we had made money there was no money 
to be found to pay the consultants. Herman Xennt and Marcel Bor had embezzled 
it all.

Next ... I had meetings with the UNIDT people - specifically Marty van Veluw 
who told me about the various scams Herman Xennt was involved in. The same goes 
for Andrew Dawe formerly of SITA who told me about Herman Xennt and the ISA 
http://bit.ly/btzqdP another bogus organization associated with the scam.

Then I had meetings with Martijn Burger who revealed to me that the member 
organizational structure we had agreed to http://bit.ly/atUfZw was not in fact 
what was delivered http://bit.ly/aKyVFy

This of course was confirmed to the TLDA as per the transcripts provided 
http://bit.ly/9gTXgQ and independently confirmed by the Courts in Amsterdam in 
the action titled "Xennt v. Burger" - which see the decision of the court 
http://bit.ly/9mHRWK (Xennt lost).

Basically - Herman Xennt wanted to be the sole member and the sole person in 
control of an international members organization.

I gave them one month to deliver on what was promised. They didn't - I went 
public - and the curtain came down on the show. 




 
This scared the very conservative business types like those in Tiscali and the 
govt of Turkey. 

As it should. And the conservative business types did check the facts. 
 


They perceived they
were dealing with a bunch of squabbling weirdos and ran away from the project. 

They were dealing with a bunch of squabbling weirdos. John in case you have not 
noticed the way you act in public and the statements you make are just like 
what one finds in the "trailer park boys" video or the Jerry Springer show.

Running a public DNS service requires trust, stability, security etc. When you 
act the way you do in public people lose confidence in your service and the 
trust, stability and security fly south.

This is a pretty standard response when it comes to confidence.
 



 
There is it - up in smoke. The one good chance that we had. 

Thats right. The one good chance you guys had went up in smoke. There are still 
many opportunities to come. However I doubt you or the Xennt posse will ever be 
invited to the table again. Others have an opportunity to achieve what the 
Xennt posse failed to do.
 


I'm sure ICANN was breathing a sigh of relief. 

They were. That is correct.
 


Tom
thinks Joe is a paid shill for ICANN because he always seems to screw up the 
INS just as its about to realize
a success. I just think he is a control freak and psychotic whose attention has 
unfortunatly been caught by
the INS. 

What Tom thinks is neither here nor there. It's all about the evidence. It's 
all about the facts. You'll notice I'm well documented with the facts and 
provide ample references to support my claims. You however and your twin Baxter 
don't.

Your arguments consist of name calling libel and slander campaigns.




 
Thats the long and the short of it. Joe has spent every waking moment since 
then in his apartment in Peterborough, 
Ontario, 

I don't live there anymore.
 


concatenating files of useless information together to publish on his website 
about how everyone else is a crook 
and he is the savior of the internet.

I'm no savior of the Internet. But in my efforts I have saved people from 
wasting their time and money on a scam. Thats reward in itself.
 



 
Bottom line: He went to Holland and tried to boss people around and they 
wouldn't let him and this is what
he does in response to their rebuff. I know Herman Xennt doesn't like to 
respond in these kind of fora, but
he does monitor. I wish he would come on and give some more first hand detail 
of this debacle, 

He won't. First Herman Xennt considers himself a constitutional monarch. He is 
King of the Cyberbunker according to the archives - check it out - 
http://bit.ly/c4Xs6m - worth a laugh or two.

As a constitutional monarch King Herman Xennt can not involve himself in these 
petty arguments. Thats your job and I am sure his majesty is more then grateful 
to you.

 


but I can
understand how was traumatized by Joe's behavior in the past and would want to 
avoid an encounter with
him in the future.  

I think Herman is a bit smarter then you in this instance. As for being 
traumatized I take great pleasure in that. It is a rare when a con artist who 
has traumatized so many is in turn traumatized himself.

 


 
As for the TLDA, we are kind of in a dormant state. 

I disagree. The TLDA is dead. It has lost the confidence of all members not 
associated with the Xennt posse scam. The only people left in the TLDA are the 
original con artists from the Xennt posse.

In fact I agree with the statement you made to the TLDA http://bit.ly/bQmI12 
which clearly shows there is no interest. Nor will there ever be any.
 


Karl Peters has backed away, probably because he is tired of
this stuff. Others are struggling with financial difficulties and family issues 
now.

Thats about all we have ever gotten from the TLDA. Excuses. 
 


 
As I always say, as much as a person can hold out hope, after awhile, if it 
looks like there is very little 
possibility of success, it is very, very hard to find motivation to work as 
hard as it would take to make this
work out. 

Excuses ....
 


 
That being said, the INS does have infrastructure, it is real. 
 
We have two RSN, PublicRoot (www.public-root.com), WorldRoot 
(www.worldroot.net).

Again I ask you a simple question. Why should we trust your roots in light of 
the facts presented here.

 


 

Now, there is the prospect that ICANN will steal what we worked for and give it 
away to someone else. If I did that with 
cars, I'd be in prison. Why can ICANN get away with it?

John don't blame ICANN for your shortcomings. You guys at the TLDA had an 
opportunity to protect us the TLD holders and you failed. Finger pointing does 
not work any more.
 



 
That should be what we are talking about.
 
Some of us keep the faith, even though its very lonely. I can tell you that my 
registry ops and LionMail COST me money, money
that I pay out of my paycheck as a business consultant and software developer. 
I do it because I still have faith that 
somehow, something may work out. 

Faith is irrelevant in this. If you want things to work out you need honest, 
decent, upstanding people at the helm of the organization. Welfare bums, 
trailer park trash and con artists don't make the cut.
 


One of the things that I will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do is to allow Joe to spew his
lies about the past, with out answer.  Like the holocaust deniers, Joe commits 
offenses, destroys lives and businesses and then tries to
blame everyone else on what he caused. I will NEVER let those lies go 
unanswered.

oye - my jewish friends are cringing.
 



 
I am younger than Joe, by about 20 years, best I can tell, and my only solace 
is that, all things being equal, I'll
outlive him, and will have the last word. 

You probably will outlive me and have the last word. I guess that will be your 
consolation prize.

enjoy
joe baptista

 


 
Cheers,
John
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Joe Baptista 
To: Hugh Dierker 
Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; abel wisman 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does is 
destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment 
with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)




On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 





For instance:  It would seem that the failure of the TLDA is a fine indicator 
of a lack of political and financial desire that it exists.  

Generally the community that supported it has all jumped ship. The only people 
left at the TLDA are the Herman Xennt posse.

However I don't think that represents a lack of political and financial desire. 
The lack of interest is not in the TLDA but the people who control it.