Re: [ga] Problems kick-starting the Inclusive Namespace

[Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

OK. Thats what I like - positive thinking. God knows we get enough of the
Negative from the trailer park boys http://bit.ly/9bLebB ;)

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> So Joe,, put me in contact with these political heavyweights, and money
> boyz. I will kick start their Inclusive Namespace.
>

The money boyz a.k.a. the Investors in the Inclusive Namespace are Gerrit te
Spenke (KPMG), André Boekhoudt (KPMG), Rob van de Voort (TMF Group), René
Rijntjes (TMF Group), SITA (TLD holder for .TRAVEL and .SITA), Marty van
Veluw, and maybe a George Green. I'll send you contact details for everyone
except Mr. Green.

As a representative of the TLD holders who have been scammed in all of this
I have a simple question for them. How much are they willing to invest to
fix this mess and make the money Marty van Veluw promised them they would.

The world is very tired of ICANN. We need a solution that works and the
Inclusive NameSpace works. I proved that in Europe and Turkey before I
pulled the plug on the root comedy network. I am vindicated. And they still
have the money to make it work. Or they can pay the TLD holders I represent
their costs and damages.

Court is not the solution I and my TLD holders are looking for. We want a
TLD as promised in an Inclusive Namespace (or whatever we call it) thats
making money. We want the promise kept.

I should also disclose I have established a legal relationship with Rob van
de Voort and René Rijntjes both founders and former directors of the TMF
Group. I published an article concerning some "tax issues" as Mr. Palmer
would have us call these things - which see http://bit.ly/bj6enc - that
resulted from some questionable transactions in the inclusive namespace.

They sent me a fax about the article - http://bit.ly/91MCzu - I emailed them
back with a few questions - http://bit.ly/9e95gV - never got a reply.

Another potential investor outside the mess is Phillips Electronics in the
Netherlands who were planning to use their TLD infrastructure to assign
every light bulb & TV a domain name. Imagine - getting email before a light
bulb blew - or a service call from a technician if you TV goes on the fritz.
I would trust a root operated by Philips if it was in the Inclusive
namespace. Hell they could build a public DNS system to support and track
whatever they manufacture. Marketing loved the idea.


>
> I believe the problem comes from Acadamia, politicians and engineers trying
> to run a business requiring hardwork and social skills -- the combination
> generally lacking in the above.  Engineers work very hard. Politicians have
> great social ability -- And Milton and the others from Acadamia have
> neither.
>

Lost souls in the ether. Blind men in the wind. All well intentioned but
lacking in the understanding of the simplicity and power to be found in the
DNS. They also don't understand the cardinal rule of networking - if you
don't co-operate you'll go to hell. ICANN is an excellent example of that -
so now we have a quickly fragmenting DNS system.

The inclusive namespace is the solution to this DNS anarchy we are forced to
live with today. All these investors have to deliver to my TLD holders and
all the DNS users is a credible group of people to represent the inclusive
name space (TRUST - CONFIDENCE - SECURITY - INTEGRETY) to provide an open
inclusive namespace. How hard can that be?

regards
joe baptista


>
>
> --- On *Fri, 4/9/10, Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>
>   Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:46 AM, John Palmer <
> jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
>
>>  Thats not true, Joe, it is lack of financial and political desire. Our
>> best bet was to get some support
>> from the those who wanted to get out from under ICANN control.
>>
>
> John it has nothing to do with finance or political desire. There is plenty
> of money and political desire to get out from under ICANN.
>
> Also the INAIC/Public-Root scam had lots of backers. We had plenty of
> financing.
>
> The financing went south because people don't want to invest in scams or
> scandals.
>
>
>>
>> We found that in the nation of Turkey and at the same time the large
>> European ISP Tiscali.
>>
>
> You should also add to the ISP list Equant and SITA (network provider and
> operator of the TLDs .TRAVEL and .SITA). And don't ever forget to mention
> the U.A.E. and Saudi Arabia were next on the list of countries to be
> converted away from the ICANN root.
>
> Those were happy days.
>
>
>>
>> Joe was part of this effort and in the summer of 2005, he went to Holland
>> to work on the project with Herman
>>
>
> Thats correct. I was involved from 2003 to 2005.
>
>
>>  and when he got there, he tried, like Joe always does, to take over and
>> boss people around and when
>> they wouldn't let him do so, he turned on them and began his campaign of
>> slander and lies.
>>
>
> No that is untrue. When I got there the first people who approached me were
> unpaid consultants/employees. Even though we had made money there was no
> money to be found to pay the consultants. Herman Xennt and Marcel Bor had
> embezzled it all.
>
> Next ... I had meetings with the UNIDT people - specifically Marty van
> Veluw who told me about the various scams Herman Xennt was involved in. The
> same goes for Andrew Dawe formerly of SITA who told me about Herman Xennt
> and the ISA http://bit.ly/btzqdP another bogus organization associated
> with the scam.
>
> Then I had meetings with Martijn Burger who revealed to me that the member
> organizational structure we had agreed to http://bit.ly/atUfZw was not in
> fact what was delivered http://bit.ly/aKyVFy
>
> This of course was confirmed to the TLDA as per the transcripts provided
> http://bit.ly/9gTXgQ and independently confirmed by the Courts in
> Amsterdam in the action titled "Xennt v. Burger" - which see the decision of
> the court http://bit.ly/9mHRWK (Xennt lost).
>
> Basically - Herman Xennt wanted to be the sole member and the sole person
> in control of an international members organization.
>
> I gave them one month to deliver on what was promised. They didn't - I went
> public - and the curtain came down on the show.
>
>
>> This scared the very conservative business types like those in Tiscali and
>> the govt of Turkey.
>>
>
> As it should. And the conservative business types did check the facts.
>
>
>>  They perceived they
>> were dealing with a bunch of squabbling weirdos and ran away from the
>> project.
>>
>
> They were dealing with a bunch of squabbling weirdos. John in case you have
> not noticed the way you act in public and the statements you make are just
> like what one finds in the "trailer park boys" video or the Jerry Springer
> show.
>
> Running a public DNS service requires trust, stability, security etc. When
> you act the way you do in public people lose confidence in your service and
> the trust, stability and security fly south.
>
> This is a pretty standard response when it comes to confidence.
>
>
>>
>> There is it - up in smoke. The one good chance that we had.
>>
>
> Thats right. The one good chance you guys had went up in smoke. There are
> still many opportunities to come. However I doubt you or the Xennt posse
> will ever be invited to the table again. Others have an opportunity to
> achieve what the Xennt posse failed to do.
>
>
>>  I'm sure ICANN was breathing a sigh of relief.
>>
>
> They were. That is correct.
>
>
>>  Tom
>> thinks Joe is a paid shill for ICANN because he always seems to screw up
>> the INS just as its about to realize
>> a success. I just think he is a control freak and psychotic whose
>> attention has unfortunatly been caught by
>> the INS.
>>
>
> What Tom thinks is neither here nor there. It's all about the evidence.
> It's all about the facts. You'll notice I'm well documented with the facts
> and provide ample references to support my claims. You however and your twin
> Baxter don't.
>
> Your arguments consist of name calling libel and slander campaigns.
>
>
>> Thats the long and the short of it. Joe has spent every waking moment
>> since then in his apartment in Peterborough,
>> Ontario,
>>
>
> I don't live there anymore.
>
>
>>  concatenating files of useless information together to publish on his
>> website about how everyone else is a crook
>> and he is the savior of the internet.
>>
>
> I'm no savior of the Internet. But in my efforts I have saved people from
> wasting their time and money on a scam. Thats reward in itself.
>
>
>>
>> Bottom line: He went to Holland and tried to boss people around and they
>> wouldn't let him and this is what
>> he does in response to their rebuff. I know Herman Xennt doesn't like to
>> respond in these kind of fora, but
>> he does monitor. I wish he would come on and give some more first hand
>> detail of this debacle,
>>
>
> He won't. First Herman Xennt considers himself a constitutional monarch. He
> is King of the Cyberbunker according to the archives - check it out -
> http://bit.ly/c4Xs6m - worth a laugh or two.
>
> As a constitutional monarch King Herman Xennt can not involve himself in
> these petty arguments. Thats your job and I am sure his majesty is more then
> grateful to you.
>
>
>
>>  but I can
>> understand how was traumatized by Joe's behavior in the past and would
>> want to avoid an encounter with
>> him in the future.
>>
>
> I think Herman is a bit smarter then you in this instance. As for being
> traumatized I take great pleasure in that. It is a rare when a con artist
> who has traumatized so many is in turn traumatized himself.
>
>
>
>>
>> As for the TLDA, we are kind of in a dormant state.
>>
>
> I disagree. The TLDA is dead. It has lost the confidence of all members not
> associated with the Xennt posse scam. The only people left in the TLDA are
> the original con artists from the Xennt posse.
>
> In fact I agree with the statement you made to the TLDA
> http://bit.ly/bQmI12 which clearly shows there is no interest. Nor will
> there ever be any.
>
>
>>  Karl Peters has backed away, probably because he is tired of
>> this stuff. Others are struggling with financial difficulties and family
>> issues now.
>>
>
> Thats about all we have ever gotten from the TLDA. Excuses.
>
>
>>
>> As I always say, as much as a person can hold out hope, after awhile, if
>> it looks like there is very little
>> possibility of success, it is very, very hard to find motivation to work
>> as hard as it would take to make this
>> work out.
>>
>
> Excuses ....
>
>
>>
>> That being said, the INS does have infrastructure, it is real.
>>
>> We have two RSN, PublicRoot (www.public-root.com), WorldRoot (
>> www.worldroot.net).
>>
>
> Again I ask you a simple question. Why should we trust your roots in light
> of the facts presented here.
>
>
>>
>>  Now, there is the prospect that ICANN will steal what we worked for and
>> give it away to someone else. If I did that with
>> cars, I'd be in prison. Why can ICANN get away with it?
>>
>
> John don't blame ICANN for your shortcomings. You guys at the TLDA had an
> opportunity to protect us the TLD holders and you failed. Finger pointing
> does not work any more.
>
>
>>
>> That should be what we are talking about.
>>
>> Some of us keep the faith, even though its very lonely. I can tell you
>> that my registry ops and LionMail COST me money, money
>> that I pay out of my paycheck as a business consultant and software
>> developer. I do it because I still have faith that
>> somehow, something may work out.
>>
>
> Faith is irrelevant in this. If you want things to work out you need
> honest, decent, upstanding people at the helm of the organization. Welfare
> bums, trailer park trash and con artists don't make the cut.
>
>
>>  One of the things that I will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do is to allow Joe to
>> spew his
>> lies about the past, with out answer.  Like the holocaust deniers, Joe
>> commits offenses, destroys lives and businesses and then tries to
>> blame everyone else on what he caused. I will NEVER let those lies go
>> unanswered.
>>
>
> oye - my jewish friends are cringing.
>
>
>>
>> I am younger than Joe, by about 20 years, best I can tell, and my only
>> solace is that, all things being equal, I'll
>> outlive him, and will have the last word.
>>
>
> You probably will outlive me and have the last word. I guess that will be
> your consolation prize.
>
> enjoy
> joe baptista
>
>
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Joe 
>> Baptista<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> *To:* Hugh 
>> Dierker<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
>> *Cc:* 
>> ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>>  abel
>> wisman<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=abel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:51 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [ga] Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does
>> is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a
>> moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Hugh Dierker 
>> <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>   For instance:  It would seem that the failure of the TLDA is a fine
>>> indicator of a lack of political and financial desire that it exists.
>>>
>>
>> Generally the community that supported it has all jumped ship. The only
>> people left at the TLDA are the Herman Xennt posse.
>>
>> However I don't think that represents a lack of political and financial
>> desire. The lack of interest is not in the TLDA but the people who control
>> it.
>>
>>
>
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