Re: [ga] Problems kick-starting the Inclusive Namespace

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

Joe,
 
I always love a beginning like: "We are at the very precipice of---". But alas 
we cannot use this here.  Because the top is moribound in more psychosis and 
grandiosity than either side of the Axis of Evil, the Internet can and will go 
in two directions. My fave - grassroots and Battle hymn of the Republic and by 
the People and for the People stuff,,,, but probably the more mondane Good old 
Human ingenuity and entrepenueral spirit, heavily salted with greed - but 
honest greed.
 
Our Namespace and DNS structure is just fantastic. Like having one lightbulb in 
a small town. It is a miracle of science and technology we should all gather 
round and marvel.
That was really cool in the 90s and early 00s. But ,.,. 
 
I am ready for a handheld light computing device that is fully integrated with 
my thoughts, runs on total passive solar/moon, can follow the curvature of the 
earth and could light Manhattan while marketing my braziere. I am looking for 
Internet folks who are not stuck in the bottleneck of holding on to the old so 
tight it prevents the future.  I am tired of position papers rather than bright 
nova ideas. Our current form of Internet Governance is so bad it is trying to 
govern Ideas and innovation and thought rather than the use of them. They are 
like a huge religious church in the Dark Ages.
 
A pendulum in the expertise of megacorps has swung too far in one direction.  
The fine professionals that are hired to go out and stifle advancement and 
innovation so that the corporations do not have to compete and innovate to stay 
profitable are doing to fine a job.
Just a little too fine of a Job.  It is eroding the incentives to the status 
quo oriented big business, to renovate and create. 
 
This converging scenario lays a table for Capitalists of the finest order.  It 
is an opportunity wrapped all nice an tidy.  And we have an abundance of young 
turks(of all ages) who would rather lead than follow.
 
My hope is that during this new Horizon setting that we regain some admiration 
for the idea and not the source. Tina and Thunderdome - We don't need another 
Hero.

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] Problems kick-starting the Inclusive Namespace
To: "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 10:30 AM


OK. Thats what I like - positive thinking. God knows we get enough of the 
Negative from the trailer park boys http://bit.ly/9bLebB ;)


On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:






So Joe,, put me in contact with these political heavyweights, and money boyz. I 
will kick start their Inclusive Namespace.

The money boyz a.k.a. the Investors in the Inclusive Namespace are Gerrit te 
Spenke (KPMG), André Boekhoudt (KPMG), Rob van de Voort (TMF Group), René 
Rijntjes (TMF Group), SITA (TLD holder for .TRAVEL and .SITA), Marty van Veluw, 
and maybe a George Green. I'll send you contact details for everyone except Mr. 
Green. 

As a representative of the TLD holders who have been scammed in all of this I 
have a simple question for them. How much are they willing to invest to fix 
this mess and make the money Marty van Veluw promised them they would.

The world is very tired of ICANN. We need a solution that works and the 
Inclusive NameSpace works. I proved that in Europe and Turkey before I pulled 
the plug on the root comedy network. I am vindicated. And they still have the 
money to make it work. Or they can pay the TLD holders I represent their costs 
and damages.

Court is not the solution I and my TLD holders are looking for. We want a TLD 
as promised in an Inclusive Namespace (or whatever we call it) thats making 
money. We want the promise kept.

I should also disclose I have established a legal relationship with Rob van de 
Voort and René Rijntjes both founders and former directors of the TMF Group. I 
published an article concerning some "tax issues" as Mr. Palmer would have us 
call these things - which see http://bit.ly/bj6enc - that resulted from some 
questionable transactions in the inclusive namespace. 

They sent me a fax about the article - http://bit.ly/91MCzu - I emailed them 
back with a few questions - http://bit.ly/9e95gV - never got a reply.

Another potential investor outside the mess is Phillips Electronics in the 
Netherlands who were planning to use their TLD infrastructure to assign every 
light bulb & TV a domain name. Imagine - getting email before a light bulb blew 
- or a service call from a technician if you TV goes on the fritz. I would 
trust a root operated by Philips if it was in the Inclusive namespace. Hell 
they could build a public DNS system to support and track whatever they 
manufacture. Marketing loved the idea.
 





 
I believe the problem comes from Acadamia, politicians and engineers trying to 
run a business requiring hardwork and social skills -- the combination 
generally lacking in the above.  Engineers work very hard. Politicians have 
great social ability -- And Milton and the others from Acadamia have neither.

Lost souls in the ether. Blind men in the wind. All well intentioned but 
lacking in the understanding of the simplicity and power to be found in the 
DNS. They also don't understand the cardinal rule of networking - if you don't 
co-operate you'll go to hell. ICANN is an excellent example of that - so now we 
have a quickly fragmenting DNS system.

The inclusive namespace is the solution to this DNS anarchy we are forced to 
live with today. All these investors have to deliver to my TLD holders and all 
the DNS users is a credible group of people to represent the inclusive name 
space (TRUST - CONFIDENCE - SECURITY - INTEGRETY) to provide an open inclusive 
namespace. How hard can that be? 

regards
joe baptista
 










--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:






 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:46 AM, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:



Thats not true, Joe, it is lack of financial and political desire. Our best bet 
was to get some support
from the those who wanted to get out from under ICANN control.

John it has nothing to do with finance or political desire. There is plenty of 
money and political desire to get out from under ICANN.

Also the INAIC/Public-Root scam had lots of backers. We had plenty of financing.

The financing went south because people don't want to invest in scams or 
scandals.
 


 
We found that in the nation of Turkey and at the same time the large European 
ISP Tiscali.

You should also add to the ISP list Equant and SITA (network provider and 
operator of the TLDs .TRAVEL and .SITA). And don't ever forget to mention the 
U.A.E. and Saudi Arabia were next on the list of countries to be converted away 
from the ICANN root.

Those were happy days.
 


 
Joe was part of this effort and in the summer of 2005, he went to Holland to 
work on the project with Herman 

Thats correct. I was involved from 2003 to 2005.
 



and when he got there, he tried, like Joe always does, to take over and boss 
people around and when
they wouldn't let him do so, he turned on them and began his campaign of 
slander and lies.

No that is untrue. When I got there the first people who approached me were 
unpaid consultants/employees. Even though we had made money there was no money 
to be found to pay the consultants. Herman Xennt and Marcel Bor had embezzled 
it all.

Next ... I had meetings with the UNIDT people - specifically Marty van Veluw 
who told me about the various scams Herman Xennt was involved in. The same goes 
for Andrew Dawe formerly of SITA who told me about Herman Xennt and the ISA 
http://bit.ly/btzqdP another bogus organization associated with the scam.

Then I had meetings with Martijn Burger who revealed to me that the member 
organizational structure we had agreed to http://bit.ly/atUfZw was not in fact 
what was delivered http://bit.ly/aKyVFy

This of course was confirmed to the TLDA as per the transcripts provided 
http://bit.ly/9gTXgQ and independently confirmed by the Courts in Amsterdam in 
the action titled "Xennt v. Burger" - which see the decision of the court 
http://bit.ly/9mHRWK (Xennt lost).

Basically - Herman Xennt wanted to be the sole member and the sole person in 
control of an international members organization.

I gave them one month to deliver on what was promised. They didn't - I went 
public - and the curtain came down on the show. 




 
This scared the very conservative business types like those in Tiscali and the 
govt of Turkey. 

As it should. And the conservative business types did check the facts. 
 


They perceived they
were dealing with a bunch of squabbling weirdos and ran away from the project. 

They were dealing with a bunch of squabbling weirdos. John in case you have not 
noticed the way you act in public and the statements you make are just like 
what one finds in the "trailer park boys" video or the Jerry Springer show.

Running a public DNS service requires trust, stability, security etc. When you 
act the way you do in public people lose confidence in your service and the 
trust, stability and security fly south.

This is a pretty standard response when it comes to confidence.
 



 
There is it - up in smoke. The one good chance that we had. 

Thats right. The one good chance you guys had went up in smoke. There are still 
many opportunities to come. However I doubt you or the Xennt posse will ever be 
invited to the table again. Others have an opportunity to achieve what the 
Xennt posse failed to do.
 


I'm sure ICANN was breathing a sigh of relief. 

They were. That is correct.
 


Tom
thinks Joe is a paid shill for ICANN because he always seems to screw up the 
INS just as its about to realize
a success. I just think he is a control freak and psychotic whose attention has 
unfortunatly been caught by
the INS. 

What Tom thinks is neither here nor there. It's all about the evidence. It's 
all about the facts. You'll notice I'm well documented with the facts and 
provide ample references to support my claims. You however and your twin Baxter 
don't.

Your arguments consist of name calling libel and slander campaigns.




 
Thats the long and the short of it. Joe has spent every waking moment since 
then in his apartment in Peterborough, 
Ontario, 

I don't live there anymore.
 


concatenating files of useless information together to publish on his website 
about how everyone else is a crook 
and he is the savior of the internet.

I'm no savior of the Internet. But in my efforts I have saved people from 
wasting their time and money on a scam. Thats reward in itself.
 



 
Bottom line: He went to Holland and tried to boss people around and they 
wouldn't let him and this is what
he does in response to their rebuff. I know Herman Xennt doesn't like to 
respond in these kind of fora, but
he does monitor. I wish he would come on and give some more first hand detail 
of this debacle, 

He won't. First Herman Xennt considers himself a constitutional monarch. He is 
King of the Cyberbunker according to the archives - check it out - 
http://bit.ly/c4Xs6m - worth a laugh or two.

As a constitutional monarch King Herman Xennt can not involve himself in these 
petty arguments. Thats your job and I am sure his majesty is more then grateful 
to you.

 


but I can
understand how was traumatized by Joe's behavior in the past and would want to 
avoid an encounter with
him in the future.  

I think Herman is a bit smarter then you in this instance. As for being 
traumatized I take great pleasure in that. It is a rare when a con artist who 
has traumatized so many is in turn traumatized himself.

 


 
As for the TLDA, we are kind of in a dormant state. 

I disagree. The TLDA is dead. It has lost the confidence of all members not 
associated with the Xennt posse scam. The only people left in the TLDA are the 
original con artists from the Xennt posse.

In fact I agree with the statement you made to the TLDA http://bit.ly/bQmI12 
which clearly shows there is no interest. Nor will there ever be any.
 


Karl Peters has backed away, probably because he is tired of
this stuff. Others are struggling with financial difficulties and family issues 
now.

Thats about all we have ever gotten from the TLDA. Excuses. 
 


 
As I always say, as much as a person can hold out hope, after awhile, if it 
looks like there is very little 
possibility of success, it is very, very hard to find motivation to work as 
hard as it would take to make this
work out. 

Excuses ....
 


 
That being said, the INS does have infrastructure, it is real. 
 
We have two RSN, PublicRoot (www.public-root.com), WorldRoot 
(www.worldroot.net).

Again I ask you a simple question. Why should we trust your roots in light of 
the facts presented here.

 


 

Now, there is the prospect that ICANN will steal what we worked for and give it 
away to someone else. If I did that with 
cars, I'd be in prison. Why can ICANN get away with it?

John don't blame ICANN for your shortcomings. You guys at the TLDA had an 
opportunity to protect us the TLD holders and you failed. Finger pointing does 
not work any more.
 



 
That should be what we are talking about.
 
Some of us keep the faith, even though its very lonely. I can tell you that my 
registry ops and LionMail COST me money, money
that I pay out of my paycheck as a business consultant and software developer. 
I do it because I still have faith that 
somehow, something may work out. 

Faith is irrelevant in this. If you want things to work out you need honest, 
decent, upstanding people at the helm of the organization. Welfare bums, 
trailer park trash and con artists don't make the cut.
 


One of the things that I will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do is to allow Joe to spew his
lies about the past, with out answer.  Like the holocaust deniers, Joe commits 
offenses, destroys lives and businesses and then tries to
blame everyone else on what he caused. I will NEVER let those lies go 
unanswered.

oye - my jewish friends are cringing.
 



 
I am younger than Joe, by about 20 years, best I can tell, and my only solace 
is that, all things being equal, I'll
outlive him, and will have the last word. 

You probably will outlive me and have the last word. I guess that will be your 
consolation prize.

enjoy
joe baptista

 


 
Cheers,
John
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Joe Baptista 
To: Hugh Dierker 
Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; abel wisman 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does is 
destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment 
with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)




On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 





For instance:  It would seem that the failure of the TLDA is a fine indicator 
of a lack of political and financial desire that it exists.  

Generally the community that supported it has all jumped ship. The only people 
left at the TLDA are the Herman Xennt posse.

However I don't think that represents a lack of political and financial desire. 
The lack of interest is not in the TLDA but the people who control it.