Re: [ga] I challenge John Palmer to a dual ..

[Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hugh:

see comments below ...

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Peter,
>
> I always like your factoids. Quite reliable in my book.  Tell one
> thing/argument I forgot:
> What was it that ICANN committed/omitted that gave some weight to
> criticism, regarding this affair?
>

If you visit the following URL at INAIC:

http://www.inaic.com/index.php?p=tld-registrars

You'll notice ICANN and IANA get top billing. This of course is fraud. Other
companies like Philips Electronics, Akzo Nobel and KFC have also had their
brand names used in this fraudulent way. All three companies sent cease and
desist emails to them and they of course immediately removed those
references.

ICANN however has done nothing. And as a result of doing nothing people
continue to be defrauded since many assume - wrongly - that the INAIC
organization is associated with ICANN.

I have raised this issue on a number of occasions - ICANN of course remains
silent.

regards
joe baptista






>
> --- On *Tue, 4/6/10, Peter Dambier <peter@xxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Peter Dambier <peter@xxxxxxxx>
>
> Subject: Re: [ga] I challenge John Palmer to a dual ..
> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 3:43 PM
>
>
>
> John Palmer wrote:
> > Almost everything that Joe has stated below is either a flat out lie or
> > has not been born out by proof after much trying. If people were
> involved
> > in scams, the police would arrest them. Do you think that the police
> would
> > just let people run scams like Joe is claiming? Of course not.
> >
>
> Well John, ask the German tax authorities about the case.
>
> A high school (gymnasium) is a non profit and not allowed to sell anything.
> What this boy has been doing would have been very expensive for the school
> and his parents if the federal police had not stopped them in time.
>
> Besides on the homepage the boy run for the high school it acted as if it
> was a university. That is a fraud and the director, who is not the
> president,
> was not at all amused about that.
>
> > No one has been arrested becase, suprise, suprise, no one has committed
> > any offenses.
>
> We normally do not arrest children - but their parents or their teachers
> maybe.
>
> > The truth is that Joe got into an argument with the guys in Europe  in
> 2005
> > and decided to destroy their efforts when they wouldn't let him run the
> > show.
>
> 2005? I remember as if it was yesterday.
>
> When I see how the U.S. tax authorities are hunting Liechtenstein and
> Swizzerland
> I don't think they take tax evasion lightly either.
>
> >
> > Plain and simple.
>
> John forgot to switch his yugoslavian identity. They don't pay taxes any
> longer.
> They don't even run their yu nameservers any longer.
>
>
> Cheers
> Peter and Karin
>
>
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     *From:* Joe Baptista 
> > <mailto:baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >     *To:* Hugh Dierker 
> > <mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >     *Cc:* 
> > ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> >  GA <mailto:
> ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>  GA> ;
> >     Eric MacIver 
> > <mailto:maciver@xxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=maciver@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> ; Eric MacIver
> >     
> > <mailto:ericmaciver@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ericmaciver@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >     *Sent:* Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:00 AM
> >     *Subject:* Re: [ga] I challenge John Palmer to a dual ..
> >
> >     First I want to remind everyone I did not start this discussion. The
> >     credit there goes to the tag team of Palmer and Baxter.
> >
> >     On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Hugh Dierker 
> > <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     
> > <mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> wrote:
> >
> >         Joe, I wonder.  Who is following these folks?
> >
> >
> >     No one is following them anymore. The TLDA is a prime example of the
> >     complete lack of interest in the Xennt Palmer posse scam. At one
> >     time we had 40 members including some ccTLDs. Today the only members
> >     left in the TLDA are the people still involved in the scam.
> >     Including the president Gene Marsh - who is not listed as a member.
> >
> >     http://bit.ly/9bLebB
> >
> >     Everyone else has jumped ship.
> >
> >
> >           Who is giving them money?
> >
> >
> >     I think they have a few TLD renewals from time to time. But because
> >     of my actions in warning defrauded TLD holders in the scam the
> >     revenue stream has dried up. At one time they were making about
> >     100,000 - 300,000 USD per month. Today they are lucky if they see
> >     $1,000 / month. Those months are few and far between.
> >
> >
> >           Who are they providing services for?
> >
> >
> >     At one time we provided public DNS services to most of continental
> >     Europe and Turkey. Of course thanks to my intervention in exposing
> >     the scam that all came to an end in 2005. Today the only people
> >     using their resolvers are those users who go to the site - think
> >     it's a good idea and switch their DNS.
> >
> >     That could be a lot of people. I would not even be able to guess.
> >
> >
> >
> >         And who are they hurting?
> >
> >
> >     Users of their public DNS service - either through INAIC or
> >     Worldroot are at risk. I know this for a fact. They intercept
> >     traffic. I have no idea what they do with the data they gather -
> >     i.e. logins, passwords, credit card numbers etc. etc.
> >
> >     Financially these days the victims list is small. At least no one
> >     who does their homework ends up a victim in the scam. I can confirm
> >     that the police in Goes no longer get financial fraud complaints
> >     concerning Herman Xennt. Prior to 2005 he managed to con people out
> >     of their money resulting in numerous complaints to the Zeeland
> >     Police they could do nothing about. But since I went public Herman
> >     has become so well known in the Netherlands as a con artist no one
> >     trusts him anymore.
> >
> >     Last I heard Herman was thinking of a new start in Germany and has
> >     been selling his assets in the Netherlands.
> >
> >     The only person they have left to hurt is the messenger - i.e. me.
> >     And as we can see they do their best.
> >
> >
> >
> >         Is there a reason we should care about this?
> >
> >
> >     The only concern I would have is with respect to the security of
> >     their public DNS users.
> >
> >     There is no other reason to concern ourselves with them. They have
> >     been broken thanks to me and i don't expect them to rise again.
> >     Except for the occasional malcontent comment from Palmer or his
> >     clone Baxter.
> >
> >     However. If we set aside the fraud there is one positive aspect of
> >     all this which we should concern ourselves with. The project itself
> >     was very successful and proved how easy it is to replace ICANN. That
> >     need to replace ICANN is just as great today as it was back in 2005.
> >
> >     
> > rega@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rega@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >     Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 10:12 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >     This is an open challenge to John Palmer (a.k.a. Thomas Baxter) or
> >     both to join me on Baptista Talk Radio. Let's agree to have it out
> >     once and for all - face to face - man to man. Do you have the balls
> >     for that? I think you might.
> >
> >     My only participation in it will be to review the facts with you.
> >     Establish your credentials and credibility. And then deal with the
> >     issues involved in the fraud you participated in.
> >
> >     You a very important person in the con that was perpetuated against
> >     hundreds of TLD holders in INAIC - NewRoot - PublicRoot etc. You are
> >     also a director of the TLDA (a joke - but still it's an obligation
> >     to the community). This fraud was not only perpetuated against
> >     hundreds of TLD holders worldwide that you provide root service too
> >     - but also against a TLDA diIver" 
> > <maciver@xxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=maciver@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >     
> > <mailto:maciver@xxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=maciver@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>,
> "Eric MacIver" 
> <ericmaciver@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ericmaciver@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     
> > <mailto:ericmaciver@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ericmaciver@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >     Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 10:12 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >     This is an open challenge to John Palmer (a.k.a. Thomas Baxter) or
> >     both to join me on Baptista Talk Radio. Let's agree to have it out
> >     once and for all - face to face - man to man. Do you have the balls
> >     for that? I think you might.
> >
> >     My only participation in it will be to review the facts with you.
> >     Establish your credentials and credibility. And then deal with the
> >     issues involved in the fraud you participated in.
> >
> >     You a very important person in the con that was perpetuated against
> >     hundreds of TLD holders in INAIC - NewRoot - PublicRoot etc. You are
> >     also a director of the TLDA (a joke - but still it's an obligation
> >     to the community). This fraud was not only perpetuated against
> >     hundreds of TLD holders worldwide that you provide root service too
> >     - but also against a TLDA director and member - Eric MacIver. I've
> >     sent him a copy of this.
> >
> >     John I don't think your a crook - I think your just a misguided
> >     fool. You are protecting a man - i.e. Herman Xennt - who managed to
> >     get a student in Germany to commit fraud against his school -
> >     http://bit.ly/7It7ej - and your asking us to trust you with our root
> >     service? Root is all about trust.
> >
> >     Anyway the challenge stands. It will be recorded for prime time
> >     clicking. Just let me know whens convenient. I hope you have the
> >     balls for this - or else I'm going to be terribly disappointed in
> you.
> >
> >     regards
> >     joe baptista
> >
> >     p.s. hope you had a nice easter .. don't lay an egg.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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