Re: [ga] Re: NTIA/DoC and DoJ bitch slap ICANN over new gTLDs!!!

["Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dr. Joe and all,

  Nice complete answer.  Of course, user can be the winners.  But
as you already know, many have not been thus far in respect to
some of the policies, or lack there of, of ICANN.

  Right now, with a world wide economic crisis, part of which
can be laid at the door of ICANN's poor managment policies,
and more importantly, practices, makes for a situation were as
you IMO rightly point out where well funded organization(s)
have a golden opertunity.  But will or do they wish to take it?
And if so, will the product/service be broadly excpeted?  My
guess is that there will be as I felt back in 2000, many different
organizations taking advantage of what opertunity is avaliable.
My more important question is, whom takes over for the current
legacy Internet even with or if IPv6 gains acceptance?

Joe Baptista wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Jeffrey A.
> Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>      Dr.Joe and all,
>
>       Well that's a good point.  The problem is, who is the
>      winner?
>
>
> That is not a problem - it is an opportunity.  The users will be the
> winners - in the end.  The end point always win - not the core.  The
> core can always be replaced.  Internet protocols by their nature
> define the power base as being the end users - not a centrally
> controlled system such as ICANN is today.
>
> In the case of the US DOC it is simply past the point of no return.
> They are up to their necks in ICANN bullshit.  I was amused by the
> subject line in this discussion - NTIA/Doc and DoJ bitch slap ICANN.
> The bitch slapping given ICANN by the DOC is nothing in comparison to
> the bitch slapping the DOC has received year in and year out from
> special interests, diplomatic representatives and commercial concerns
> over the ICANN fiasco.
>
> On the Internet bullshit has a very limited life span as it does with
> the DOC.  Let us not forget the claim ICANN made in the beginning.  It
> made very clear to the DOC governments world wide that they (ICANN)
> held a monopoly over the DNS.  That bit of bullshit quickly ended up
> in the trash as all bullshit does.
>
> After all my work with the HEX quickly proved ICANN was mainly
> irrelevant.  And if I had allowed the HEX to continue their market
> share today would of exceeded that of ICANN.
>
> People want solutions that works.  Unfortunately the HEX was corrupt
> and I was not going to replace one set of criminals - i.e. ICANN -
> with another set of criminals - i.e. INAIC and the Unifiedroot.
>
> So at this point in time - who will win is an organization with
> sufficient capital to market an open root system.  But few
> organizations or individuals are even capable of pulling this off
> because they simply don't have an understanding of the delicate
> sensibilities involved in the realm of core control - or lack of it.
> Like the HEX you give them a little bit of power, it goes to their
> heads and they end up a little Cuckoo.  Same thing happened to ICANN.
>
> DNSSEC is another bit of bullshit that will die of it's own momentum.
> That was an attempt after the fact to get ICANN a monopoly in the
> DNS.  ICANN should of launched DNSSEC the day it was incorporated and
> the monopoly bullshit was still warm.  Today it would of had a
> monopoly.
>
> So to answer your question - today people with money who can afford a
> good marketing drive can control the DNS and drive ICANN into the dust
> bin of history.  But in the end it will be the users who will win.
>
> And that is not speculation - it is simply the nature of the beast.
> The protocols make it possible and user education the ultimate nail in
> the wall.  I said it from the beginning and to date I've been right.
>
> ICANN will not survive.  It has been slipping into the grave since I
> backed the HEX.  An educated user base will still take some time.  In
> that case its death will be a slow drawn out affair.  But if a person
> or corporation with deep pockets shows up on the scene the death will
> be sooner.
>
> cheers
> joe baptista
>
>
>
>
>
>      Joe Baptista wrote:
>
>      >
>      >
>      > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Jeffrey A.
>      > Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>      >
>      >
>      >      has been horrific.  What puzzles the hell out of me
>      why only
>      >
>      >      now are they going public and/or accepting that
>      reality?
>      >
>      >
>      > Thats an easy one to answer.  Change of administration.
>      Civil
>      > Servants are creatures easy to understand.  They always
>      support the
>      > winning side.
>      >
>      > cheers
>      > joe baptista
>      >
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   Abraham Lincoln
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"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
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