Re: Re[2]: [ga] domain tastinmg comments

[<chris@xxxxxx>]

How does the AGP help you recover funds from someone using a stolen credit 
card? That is a totally seperate issue and nothing at all to do with the AGP. 
If someone registers a name with a stolen credit card, you take the names back 
as soon as you know that it was a fraudulent charge I assume. I just don't see 
what the AGP has to do with people using stolen credit cards to pay for domain 
names. You are not holdiung the domain name for 5 days to see if the credit 
card was good or not. They get their domain name right away. Please explain the 
relationship between stolen credit cards and the AGP.

Chris McElroy

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Shane Kinsch 
  To: 'Karl Peters - TLDA' 
  Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:10 PM
  Subject: RE: Re[2]: [ga] domain tastinmg comments


  “What other mechanism would allow for this without actually registering the 
domain for a year?  Please also answer my challenge about a company that 
actually tasted hundreds of domains for their own end use and decided in a few 
days which ones were not needed.”

  There is no other mechanism for people to do this and I doubt anything is 
documented about a company that has sampled hundreds of domains for their own 
use, but it’s possible.  One purpose of the AGP is for the Registrars to recoup 
their expenses from a fraudulent or wrong registration.  This was open-ended 
and allowed for mass abuse.  Therefore, limiting the number of free-ride drops 
needs to be changed to a low percentage.  That way, as stated before, will take 
care of Registrars, like myself, who does not want to eat the cost of a perp 
who registers 100 names on a stolen credit card.

  Shane

  From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Karl Peters - TLDA
  Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:41 AM
  To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Shane Kinsch
  Cc: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: Re[2]: [ga] domain tastinmg comments

   

   

  > Karl as far as what you went through, thats a whole difference scenario and 
Is really a scam in that aspect, but easy to fulfill.  The scammer will just 
search the .org/.net database, index it, and compare any existing registered 
.net/.org domains and register the corresponding .com (as in your case).  Send 
out an automatic email stating that they want to sell you the domain and charge 
you a hideous fee ($295) for the services.  I personally dont see that as 
tasting but on the lines of extorting.  Tasting is where the perp samples the 
traffic and keeps it if they see it valuable.  Its one thing whether or not 
they contact you.  If they register and taste it vs. register and extort it are 
two different birds.

  >  

  > Shane

   

  Shane,

         Yes, it may be a different application of tasting, but it was a clear 
derivative of tasting, in that during the time of the "offer to sell", the 
domain was not available and one week later, it was. What other mechanism would 
allow for this without actually registering the domain for a year?  Please also 
answer my challenge about a company that actually tasted hundreds of domains 
for their own end use and decided in a few days which ones were not needed. 
This is important, because the only examples of this "tasting" people can see 
is the very negative aspect. Please show me people or companies that actually 
use it as designed.

   

  -Karl E. Peters