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Re: Re[2]: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
- To: "Shane Kinsch" <shane.kinsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Karl Peters - TLDA'" <tlda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: Re[2]: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
- From: <chris@xxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:11:14 -0400
How does the AGP help you recover funds from someone using a stolen credit
card? That is a totally seperate issue and nothing at all to do with the AGP.
If someone registers a name with a stolen credit card, you take the names back
as soon as you know that it was a fraudulent charge I assume. I just don't see
what the AGP has to do with people using stolen credit cards to pay for domain
names. You are not holdiung the domain name for 5 days to see if the credit
card was good or not. They get their domain name right away. Please explain the
relationship between stolen credit cards and the AGP.
Chris McElroy
----- Original Message -----
From: Shane Kinsch
To: 'Karl Peters - TLDA'
Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
“What other mechanism would allow for this without actually registering the
domain for a year? Please also answer my challenge about a company that
actually tasted hundreds of domains for their own end use and decided in a few
days which ones were not needed.”
There is no other mechanism for people to do this and I doubt anything is
documented about a company that has sampled hundreds of domains for their own
use, but it’s possible. One purpose of the AGP is for the Registrars to recoup
their expenses from a fraudulent or wrong registration. This was open-ended
and allowed for mass abuse. Therefore, limiting the number of free-ride drops
needs to be changed to a low percentage. That way, as stated before, will take
care of Registrars, like myself, who does not want to eat the cost of a perp
who registers 100 names on a stolen credit card.
Shane
From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Karl Peters - TLDA
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:41 AM
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Shane Kinsch
Cc: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
> Karl as far as what you went through, thats a whole difference scenario and
Is really a scam in that aspect, but easy to fulfill. The scammer will just
search the .org/.net database, index it, and compare any existing registered
.net/.org domains and register the corresponding .com (as in your case). Send
out an automatic email stating that they want to sell you the domain and charge
you a hideous fee ($295) for the services. I personally dont see that as
tasting but on the lines of extorting. Tasting is where the perp samples the
traffic and keeps it if they see it valuable. Its one thing whether or not
they contact you. If they register and taste it vs. register and extort it are
two different birds.
>
> Shane
Shane,
Yes, it may be a different application of tasting, but it was a clear
derivative of tasting, in that during the time of the "offer to sell", the
domain was not available and one week later, it was. What other mechanism would
allow for this without actually registering the domain for a year? Please also
answer my challenge about a company that actually tasted hundreds of domains
for their own end use and decided in a few days which ones were not needed.
This is important, because the only examples of this "tasting" people can see
is the very negative aspect. Please show me people or companies that actually
use it as designed.
-Karl E. Peters
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