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RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
- To: Shane Kinsch <shane.kinsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
- From: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:49:30 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
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<P>Shane and all,</P>
<P> </P>
<P> Well sorry to read that you disagree, but not all that unexpected.</P>
<P>Respectively, your two scenario explanation as to why you disagree</P>
<P>are quite irrelevant and do not reflect the current reality of Tasting.</P>
<P> This said, lets start with your first scenario. For a taster
and it's</P>
<P>registrar of choice, $360.00US is chump change for 1,580 chances</P>
<P>at at least $360.00US or a return for their tasting efforts, and the</P>
<P>registrar looses nothing and gains the registration fees for all of those</P>
<P>1580 domains. Good deal for the registrar and a far more than</P>
<P>reasonable investment to risk for the registrant/taster. </P>
<P> </P>
<P> Now for your second scenario. For an investment by the taster
of</P>
<P>$71,280.00US in lost return fees the additional cost risk to the taster</P>
<P>is $50.50US for all 3,600,000 dropped domains. A very small
additional</P>
<P>risk vs investment for a chance at <FONT color=black>356,000
domains. Hardly much of a</FONT></P>
<P>disincentive.</P>
<P> </P>
<P> But this is not the total story, Dominik and Karl Peters both
outlined</P>
<P>additional good reasons why Tasting is a bad practice. I will add
that</P>
<P>given the recent increase in Internet traffic congestion, tasting,
although</P>
<P>a tiny bit of that congestion is one practice if eliminated all
together</P>
<P>would work towards less congestion and thereby better Internet</P>
<P>stability. Additionally, as many tasted domain names end up being</P>
<P>black listed or RBL'ed anyway simply due to their being tasted, the</P>
<P>waste of Domain Names in this fashion is a terrible cost to consumers</P>
<P>and a headache for systems admins. and network operators, not to mention</P>
<P>creating confusion for users. Why allow for this intentionally or
because</P>
<P>of such a practice such as Tasting?<FONT
color=#1f497d> </FONT><FONT color=black>But I can certainly see the
financial</FONT></P>
<P>benifit for registrars and in turn ICANN itself. Seems a bit too
close</P>
<P>to a pymarid scheme to me<BR><BR><BR></P>
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<SHANE.KINSCH@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Mar 24, 2008 6:57 PM <BR>To:
jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY:
'Calibri','sans-serif'">Wow, I would have to disagree. Assume the x% is
actually 1%. Let’s do the math in this example:<?xml:namespace prefix = o
/><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY:
'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY:
'Calibri','sans-serif'">Quarterly a Registrar registers: 2,000 new
domains. 1% of 2,000 is 20. So you have 20 that are “free” of the
$0.20 fee. Anything more than that you pay $0.20 per domain. To
better emphasize what I’m referring to, that previous example is of a typical
legitimate registrar on the low end of transactions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY:
'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY:
'Calibri','sans-serif'">If you’re in the business of domain tasting / kiting,
then your average % of drops per registration is going to be very high,
possibly around 80% or more, but we’ll be conservative. So back to
the original minor example, 80% of 2,000 is 1,600 dropped, subtract the free 1%
or 20 domains, that leaves 1,580 to be charged the $0.20 fee or $316
USD.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY:
'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY:
'Calibri','sans-serif'">Let’s knock this up a little and make this a –real
world- example for a typical domain tasting Registrar over a period of 1 Qtr in
5 day increments at 250,000 per period at about 18 periods. That’s approx
4,500,000 domains registered. Drop 80% (conservative, probably more like
87%) and that leaves 90,000 registered and 3,600,000 dropped. Give that
taster their free 1% drop and that brings it to 356,400 domains that will be
charged at $0.20 or $71,280 for the quarter. That will deter tasters and
kiters especially when they’re just trying to break even on the registration
cost based on a estimates of clicks during a 12 month
period.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY:
'Calibri','sans-serif'">Shane<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 24, 2008 6:13
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Shane Kinsch; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [ga]
domain tastinmg comments<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'">Shane and all,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'"> The $0.20 fee for ever errantly registered Domain
name after x% over,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'">does nothing or any real significance to thwart tasters,
and nothing<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'">at all for tasters that use certain means of tasting that
beats the 5 day<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'">AGP assinge limit. But if your willing to live with
it as a registrar operator,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">that's fine with me it's your nickel and
your registrars rep.<BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Shane Kinsch
<BR>Sent: Mar 24, 2008 9:04 AM <BR>To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: RE: [ga]
domain tastinmg comments <BR><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY:
'Calibri','sans-serif'">As a legitimate registrar, we had perps fraudulently
register domains that we’ve caught within the first few days of registration
whether it be caught by the credit card company or other indications that the
registration is suspicious (such as in phishing, etc.). The grace period
is good for this and I would much rather pay $0.20 vs. loose the whole
registration fee.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY:
'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY:
'Calibri','sans-serif'">The solution is simple… if your drop rate is above X%,
then you will be charged $0.20 for every drop. That takes care of
legitimate registrars like mine and the kiters and tasters out there will make
it financially infeasible for them to continue to operate.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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'Calibri','sans-serif'">Shane</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>chris@xxxxxx<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 08, 2008 6:53 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
domain-tasting-motion@xxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Cc:</B> GA<BR><B>Subject:</B> [ga] domain
tastinmg comments</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">Charging 20 cents for dropped names is not going to get rid of
the big players in the domain tasting and domain kiting game. This just puts
out the message that it's ok to do domain tasting and kiting as long as ICANN
also profits from the practice. Elimination of the grace period is the answer
to domain tasting and kiting.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">It is very simple to understand for most of us and I find it
hard to believe claims by ICANN staff and board members that they don't get it.
When a user subscribes to an ezine or joins a forum, they fill out a form. Then
they get an email asking them to confirm that they indeed want to join or
subscribe. It's called double opt-in.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">Domain names can be registered the same exact way. You fill
out the forms to register your domain name. You get an email that asks, "Are
you sure you want to register this domain name?". It adds, please check your
spelling and everything because by clicking this link you agree that you are
registering the domain name at a cost of $xx and that there are no
refunds.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">That allows for any mistakes someone made when filling out the
registration form. It's simple enough for anyone to understand. It gives the
registrant a chance to change their mind satisfying buyer's remorse. Show me
any policy that allows five days for buyer's remorse on an item that usually,
with the exception of a couple of registrars, costs around $10. </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">In addition to that, for every one domain name that is
legitimately dropped during the grace period, there are 100,000 dropped by
domain kiters and domain tasters. The grace period only serves those in the
business of domain tasting and domain kiting. Pretense that there are other
reasons to allow a five day grace period is just nonsense.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY:
'Verdana','sans-serif'">Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for
INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the
law is the greatest freedom" -<BR> Abraham Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit
should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very<BR>often the
accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt<BR><BR>"If the probability be called P;
the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less
than L multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States
v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir.
1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated
1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
div. of<BR>Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in good
standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Phone:
214-244-4827<BR><BR></P></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p>Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey A.
Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders
strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -<BR>
Abraham Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not
with what is very<BR>often the accident of glory" - Theodore
Roosevelt<BR><BR>"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the
burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied
by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v. Carroll
Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir.
1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated
1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
div. of<BR>Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in good
standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Phone:
214-244-4827<BR></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></ZZZBODY></ZZZHTML></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>
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