Re: [ga] chaos and confusion on this mailing list

["Simon Schuster" <significants@xxxxxxxxx>]

These are interesting and important points which by their passion
could be construed as reactionary or inflammatory.

It's too bad that all of this has to be mucked up with interpersonal
agendas, on any/all fronts.

Maybe what the GA needs is a lot of "new blood." and a format other
than a mailing list for public dissemination.

On 10/3/07, Andy Gardner <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Debbie Garside wrote:
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> > Dear Andy
> >
> > If you want to have an outlet for your anger I will ask ICANN to
> > setup the
> > Angry Person WG but this is the GA and a number of people here are
> > actually
> > trying to be productive.
>
> That's the point. You can be as productive as you want, but what you
> produce has no standing on ANYTHING. If they want to, they can ignore
> everything you produce. And this has been done in the past.
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> >
> > Forget the past and start thinking positive.
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> If I had a dollar everytime some flag waver said that on this list....
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> Like I said, 7 years down the track and we're still powerless.
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> > Think about what you would do
> > if you were on the Board
>
> There's the other point, I, as a domain owner have NO CHANCE of being
> "on the board" or voting someone else ONTO the board to represent me.
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> The whole ICANN structure has made us powerless BY DESIGN. Your games
> here are just that. They give people false hope.
>
> > and start making suggestions that can be
> > incorporated into GA consensus style documents that we can present
> > to the
> > GNSO and the Board.
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> Consensus style documents were presented to the Board and the DNSO by
> domain owners 7 (8?) years ago.
>
> The IP constituency took great delight in blocking any chance of
> stakeholders getting any say in the matter. Pretending that we have
> any chance of representation while the current people are running
> ICANN is just a fantasy.
>
> >
> > United we stand, divided we fall... And nobody listens to people
> > bickering.
>
> They have listened to us when we weren't bickering, they never
> listened to us when we were united. This is all a farce to keep
> people busy and deflected. It's the ICANN equivalant of watching Fox
> News.
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