Re: [ga] chaos and confusion on this mailing list

[Andy Gardner <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Debbie Garside wrote:

> Dear Andy
>
> If you want to have an outlet for your anger I will ask ICANN to  
> setup the
> Angry Person WG but this is the GA and a number of people here are  
> actually
> trying to be productive.
That's the point. You can be as productive as you want, but what you  
produce has no standing on ANYTHING. If they want to, they can ignore  
everything you produce. And this has been done in the past.

> Forget the past and start thinking positive.
If I had a dollar everytime some flag waver said that on this list....

Like I said, 7 years down the track and we're still powerless.

> Think about what you would do
> if you were on the Board
There's the other point, I, as a domain owner have NO CHANCE of being  
"on the board" or voting someone else ONTO the board to represent me.
The whole ICANN structure has made us powerless BY DESIGN. Your games  
here are just that. They give people false hope.
> and start making suggestions that can be
> incorporated into GA consensus style documents that we can present  
> to the
> GNSO and the Board.
Consensus style documents were presented to the Board and the DNSO by  
domain owners 7 (8?) years ago.
The IP constituency took great delight in blocking any chance of  
stakeholders getting any say in the matter. Pretending that we have  
any chance of representation while the current people are running  
ICANN is just a fantasy.
> United we stand, divided we fall... And nobody listens to people  
> bickering.
They have listened to us when we weren't bickering, they never  
listened to us when we were united. This is all a farce to keep  
people busy and deflected. It's the ICANN equivalant of watching Fox  
News.