[ga] RE: GA "Election" was fake, ignore the "results" ( was Re: [ga] Elections Results - vote count)

["Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Debbie,

Even the rules you cite were not followed, the process was flawed. See:
"Voting is secret; only the Secretariat and the EOC will be allowed to see
the votes."

So, you are quite mistaken.  The "election" was not conducted according to
the rules, therefore, it is invalid.

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
Chair

>
> Dear George
>
> Regretfully you are quoting from an older version of the GA List Rules.
> Please note the updated version makes no mention of the GNSO Secretariat.
>
> Please revise your posting to relate to the current list rules; in force
> since 10th September 2007
>
> http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules6.htm
>
> As List Monitor, I must kindly ask that you refrain from making personal
> attacks and would refer you to section 3.3 of the above mentioned rules.
> Failure to comply with this request may mean enforcement of sanctions
> according to section 4 of the above mentioned list rules.
>
> I really would thank you if you could display a minimum of decorum in your
> posts.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Debbie Garside
> List Monitor
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Kirikos
>> Sent: 03 October 2007 20:48
>> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Cc: avri@xxxxxxx; vint@xxxxxxxxxx; twomey@xxxxxxxxx;
>> roberto@xxxxxxxxx; jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: GA "Election" was fake, ignore the "results" ( was
>> Re: [ga] Elections Results - vote count)
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The "election" was obviously an exercise in mental
>> masturbation, and not legitimate. By their own "rules" at:
>>
>> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg03844.html
>> http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules5.htm
>>
>> (where the list rules are hosted at a non-ICANN and thus
>> non-permanent/trusted URL, i.e. it can be changed at will by
>> the host; a copy is archived at
>> http://www.loffs.com/images/garules5draft.pdf )
>>
>> 1. "The election period shall be at least 14 days"
>>
>> -- bzzt, "election" was only 2 days!
>>
>> 2. "The election process starts when the GA Secretariat
>> announces that nominations are open."
>>
>> -- deliciously, the GA *has no secretariat* !! :) Try to
>> overcome that one, kooks.
>>
>> 3. "The exact time is decided by the outgoing Chair and the
>> Chair of the GNSO."
>>
>> -- bzzzt, the GA had no legitimate outgoing Chair, and
>> furthermore it is unverified that the Chair of the GNSO had
>> any input into the exact time decision
>>
>> 4. "Nominees for the Chair are sent to an email address
>> provided by the Secretariat."
>>
>> -- see above, there is no Secretariat authorized by the GNSO
>> Council for the GA mailing list
>>
>> 5. "The watchdogs agree with the Chair and the GNSO Chair the
>> voting mechanism to be employed and receive full details of
>> the voting mechanism and oversee all votes"
>>
>> -- there is no evidence the GNSO Chair, Avri Doria, was
>> involved whatsoever in the voting mechanism details
>>
>> 6. "Voting is secret; only the secretariat and the committee
>> will be allowed to see the votes."
>>
>> -- obviously, the voting was not secret, and there is no
>> secretariat either, as mentioned above
>>
>> 7. "Subscribers must have been members with at least 5
>> postings to the list, at least 90 days prior to the call for
>> an election."
>>
>> -- David Scott -- never posted on the GA mailing list before.
>> Why did he join? Perhaps this post by Joe Baptista on the
>> TLDA mailing list might explain things:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/browse_thread/thre
>> ad/6566d4ff4d26cc20/55a62f00683c7c86?hl=en#55a62f00683c7c86
>>
>> "We need the votes to put Hugh Dierker over the top."
>>
>> (archived at:
>> http://www.loffs.com/images/baptista-tlda-votes.pdf in case
>> Baptista makes access to that group private)
>>
>> One might also note that at:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/browse_thread/thre
>> ad/fc6b0e9707744fd7/0609760aace206b7?hl=en#0609760aace206b7
>>
>> Baptista writes:
>>
>> "I am pleased to announce that Dr. Eric Hugh Dierker has been
>> added to our group. Dr. Dierker is a lawyer who has offered
>> to help us in getting the inclusive name space off the ground.
>> ....
>> Dr. Dierker is International Counsel to Memolin SA de CV,
>> Mexico, Hi-Tek.com.vn Vietnam. DOTVN. Maquiledoras
>> representative in Tijuana, ... "
>>
>> (archived at:
>> http://www.loffs.com/images/baptista-dierker-lawyer.pdf )
>>
>> Hardly an independent choice as "monitor" of a list or an "election."
>>
>> He describes "Dr. Dierker" as a lawyer.....when it's clear
>> from the California Bar Association's website that he is not
>> a bar member.
>>
>> http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=112873
>>
>> "This member is resigned and may not practice law in California."
>>
>> And as Karl Auerbach pointed out:
>>
>> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00203.html
>> http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=bpc&grou
>> p=06001-07000&file=6125-6140.05
>>
>> "6125.  No person shall practice law in California unless the
>> person is an active member of the State Bar."
>>
>> An examination of Dierker's post to the TLDA group at:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/msg/0a044154badf4b
>> 61?dmode=source
>>
>> (archived at: http://www.loffs.com/images/dierker-lawyer-ipaddress.pdf
>> )
>>
>> shows an IP address of 71.136.67.252
>>
>> http://whois.domaintools.com/71.136.67.252
>>
>> which is San Diego, California. Furthermore, at:
>>
>> http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-whois-wg/msg00015.html
>>
>> "1. Current occupation,
>>  Dierker Consultancy. Consultant for Internet marketing firms
>> operating in Vietnam, Mexico, Canada and the USA 2. Work
>> performed in 1 above,  Legal and marketing consulting
>> services regarding registration and maintenance of data bases."
>>
>> Obviously, legal services are inconsistent with the known
>> facts from the California State Bar:
>>
>> http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=112873
>>
>> "This member is resigned and may not practice law in California."
>>
>> And in case more information is needed on Baptista, besides
>> what I've already posted at:
>>
>> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00152.html
>> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00138.html
>>
>> consider:
>>
>> http://groups.google.ca/group/bit.listserv.lawsch-l/browse_thr
>> ead/thread/113a3fd7330c2e13/c53b5b6b9d289288?hl=en&lnk=st&q=&r
>> num=1#c53b5b6b9d289288
>>
>> "He wanted to know how I was driving the police and the system crazy."
>>
>> "I was offered access to resources to further my research
>> into electronic warfare and also provided with a budget to
>> influence the civil service."
>>
>> "I provided the corporation with advice on laundering funds
>> and depleting general revenues in order to avoid payment of
>> sales tax and GST."
>>
>> "Other contributions involved a info-war attack against the
>> Ontario Film Review Board.  This included setting up paid
>> moles within the ministry."
>>
>> In conclusion, the GA list has demonstrated conclusively it
>> cannot self-govern. Avri's experiment to give the GA list
>> some legitimacy should be aborted immediately. At a minimum,
>> the list needs to be renamed, to proper reflect its lack of
>> recognition within ICANN, and to stop confusion to others not
>> aware of this (for example, the PC World reporter who fell
>> for these antics).
>>
>> If Avri, who made it a personal priority to hand over the
>> keys of the asylum to the inmates, does feel this "election"
>> was legitimate, I'd like her to post affirmatively to that
>> effect, and reconcile ALL of the above, and stop suggesting
>> that GNSO Council endorsed this circus. If Avri considers 4
>> or 5 "votes" to even constitute a quorum, on a list of
>> 200+ subscribers, I'd like to see the logic. The lack of voting
>> indicates that they do not want to participate in this circus
>> of an "election."
>>
>> And if one considers that:
>>
>> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/msg07777.html
>>
>> "I would lke to see the GA appoint an executive and get
>> itself a bank account.
>>
>> "get itself a bank account" !! ICANN Board members should
>> seriously consider the ramifications of that, given the above.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> George Kirikos
>> http://www.kirikos.com/
>>
>> --- Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> > I beleive the vote is not closed.  Below are the vote counts.
>> >
>> > Debbie Garside          Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
>> > George Kirikos          Spoiled Ballot
>> > Sotiris Sotiropoulos    Spoiled Ballot
>> > Dominik Filipp           Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
>> > Eric Hugh Dierker      Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
>> > Joe Baptista               Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
>> > David Scott                Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
>> >
>> > Total votes for Eric Hugh Dierker         5
>> > Total spoiled ballots                             2
>> > ---------------------------------------------------
>> > Total Votes in this Election                   7
>> >
>> > If my co-monitor concurs with me then Eric Hugh Dierker is elected.
>> > If
>> > any mistakes have been made - please advise.
>> >
>> > regards
>> > joe baptista
>> >
>> > --
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