RE: [ga] RE: GA "Election" was fake, ignore the "results" ( was Re: [ga] Elections Results - vote count)

["Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Sotiris

> Even the rules you cite were not followed, the process was
> flawed. See:
> "Voting is secret; only the Secretariat and the EOC will be
> allowed to see the votes."

The problem that we have is that the rules did not deal with the scenario of
only one nomination.  Had there been two nominations then you would be quite
right.  However, to my mind there should not have been an election at all
but rather with only one nomination the nominee should have been duly
elected.  Or?

If you read back through the emails you will see that Eric gave absolutely
clear indications as to how the election was being conducted under these
circumstances.  He asked for comments and in the light of no comments
proceeded as indicated.  I feel this was the only course of action Eric
could take.

To have a secret ballot with one nominee would do what?

I really am very sorry to see the way that this list is fast disintegrating
into old habits.  Let's be honest everyone was aware of this election it has
been running since the 10th of September with Eric informing the list of his
every move.  It is a little late to come in and call foul play methinks.

Please let us get back to the business in hand as I really cannot see that
this line is getting anyone anywhere.

Best regards

Debbie




> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> Sent: 03 October 2007 23:36
> To: debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; avri@xxxxxxx;
> vint@xxxxxxxxxx; twomey@xxxxxxxxx; roberto@xxxxxxxxx;
> jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ga] RE: GA "Election" was fake, ignore the
> "results" ( was Re: [ga] Elections Results - vote count)
>
>
> Dear Debbie,
>
> Even the rules you cite were not followed, the process was
> flawed. See:
> "Voting is secret; only the Secretariat and the EOC will be
> allowed to see the votes."
>
> So, you are quite mistaken.  The "election" was not conducted
> according to the rules, therefore, it is invalid.
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> Chair
>
> >
> > Dear George
> >
> > Regretfully you are quoting from an older version of the GA
> List Rules.
> > Please note the updated version makes no mention of the
> GNSO Secretariat.
> >
> > Please revise your posting to relate to the current list rules; in
> > force since 10th September 2007
> >
> > http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules6.htm
> >
> > As List Monitor, I must kindly ask that you refrain from making
> > personal attacks and would refer you to section 3.3 of the
> above mentioned rules.
> > Failure to comply with this request may mean enforcement of
> sanctions
> > according to section 4 of the above mentioned list rules.
> >
> > I really would thank you if you could display a minimum of
> decorum in
> > your posts.
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Debbie Garside
> > List Monitor
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Kirikos
> >> Sent: 03 October 2007 20:48
> >> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Cc: avri@xxxxxxx; vint@xxxxxxxxxx; twomey@xxxxxxxxx;
> >> roberto@xxxxxxxxx; jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: GA "Election" was fake, ignore the "results" ( was
> >> Re: [ga] Elections Results - vote count)
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> The "election" was obviously an exercise in mental
> masturbation, and
> >> not legitimate. By their own "rules" at:
> >>
> >> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg03844.html
> >> http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules5.htm
> >>
> >> (where the list rules are hosted at a non-ICANN and thus
> >> non-permanent/trusted URL, i.e. it can be changed at will by the
> >> host; a copy is archived at
> >> http://www.loffs.com/images/garules5draft.pdf )
> >>
> >> 1. "The election period shall be at least 14 days"
> >>
> >> -- bzzt, "election" was only 2 days!
> >>
> >> 2. "The election process starts when the GA Secretariat announces
> >> that nominations are open."
> >>
> >> -- deliciously, the GA *has no secretariat* !! :) Try to overcome
> >> that one, kooks.
> >>
> >> 3. "The exact time is decided by the outgoing Chair and
> the Chair of
> >> the GNSO."
> >>
> >> -- bzzzt, the GA had no legitimate outgoing Chair, and
> furthermore it
> >> is unverified that the Chair of the GNSO had any input
> into the exact
> >> time decision
> >>
> >> 4. "Nominees for the Chair are sent to an email address
> provided by
> >> the Secretariat."
> >>
> >> -- see above, there is no Secretariat authorized by the
> GNSO Council
> >> for the GA mailing list
> >>
> >> 5. "The watchdogs agree with the Chair and the GNSO Chair
> the voting
> >> mechanism to be employed and receive full details of the voting
> >> mechanism and oversee all votes"
> >>
> >> -- there is no evidence the GNSO Chair, Avri Doria, was involved
> >> whatsoever in the voting mechanism details
> >>
> >> 6. "Voting is secret; only the secretariat and the
> committee will be
> >> allowed to see the votes."
> >>
> >> -- obviously, the voting was not secret, and there is no
> secretariat
> >> either, as mentioned above
> >>
> >> 7. "Subscribers must have been members with at least 5 postings to
> >> the list, at least 90 days prior to the call for an election."
> >>
> >> -- David Scott -- never posted on the GA mailing list before.
> >> Why did he join? Perhaps this post by Joe Baptista on the TLDA
> >> mailing list might explain things:
> >>
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/browse_thread/thre
> >> ad/6566d4ff4d26cc20/55a62f00683c7c86?hl=en#55a62f00683c7c86
> >>
> >> "We need the votes to put Hugh Dierker over the top."
> >>
> >> (archived at:
> >> http://www.loffs.com/images/baptista-tlda-votes.pdf in
> case Baptista
> >> makes access to that group private)
> >>
> >> One might also note that at:
> >>
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/browse_thread/thre
> >> ad/fc6b0e9707744fd7/0609760aace206b7?hl=en#0609760aace206b7
> >>
> >> Baptista writes:
> >>
> >> "I am pleased to announce that Dr. Eric Hugh Dierker has
> been added
> >> to our group. Dr. Dierker is a lawyer who has offered to
> help us in
> >> getting the inclusive name space off the ground.
> >> ....
> >> Dr. Dierker is International Counsel to Memolin SA de CV, Mexico,
> >> Hi-Tek.com.vn Vietnam. DOTVN. Maquiledoras representative
> in Tijuana,
> >> ... "
> >>
> >> (archived at:
> >> http://www.loffs.com/images/baptista-dierker-lawyer.pdf )
> >>
> >> Hardly an independent choice as "monitor" of a list or an
> "election."
> >>
> >> He describes "Dr. Dierker" as a lawyer.....when it's clear
> from the
> >> California Bar Association's website that he is not a bar member.
> >>
> >> http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=112873
> >>
> >> "This member is resigned and may not practice law in California."
> >>
> >> And as Karl Auerbach pointed out:
> >>
> >>
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00203.html
> >> http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=bpc&grou
> >> p=06001-07000&file=6125-6140.05
> >>
> >> "6125.  No person shall practice law in California unless
> the person
> >> is an active member of the State Bar."
> >>
> >> An examination of Dierker's post to the TLDA group at:
> >>
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/msg/0a044154badf4b
> >> 61?dmode=source
> >>
> >> (archived at:
> >> http://www.loffs.com/images/dierker-lawyer-ipaddress.pdf
> >> )
> >>
> >> shows an IP address of 71.136.67.252
> >>
> >> http://whois.domaintools.com/71.136.67.252
> >>
> >> which is San Diego, California. Furthermore, at:
> >>
> >> http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-whois-wg/msg00015.html
> >>
> >> "1. Current occupation,
> >>  Dierker Consultancy. Consultant for Internet marketing firms
> >> operating in Vietnam, Mexico, Canada and the USA 2. Work
> performed in
> >> 1 above,  Legal and marketing consulting services regarding
> >> registration and maintenance of data bases."
> >>
> >> Obviously, legal services are inconsistent with the known
> facts from
> >> the California State Bar:
> >>
> >> http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=112873
> >>
> >> "This member is resigned and may not practice law in California."
> >>
> >> And in case more information is needed on Baptista,
> besides what I've
> >> already posted at:
> >>
> >>
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00152.html
> >>
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00138.html
> >>
> >> consider:
> >>
> >> http://groups.google.ca/group/bit.listserv.lawsch-l/browse_thr
> >> ead/thread/113a3fd7330c2e13/c53b5b6b9d289288?hl=en&lnk=st&q=&r
> >> num=1#c53b5b6b9d289288
> >>
> >> "He wanted to know how I was driving the police and the
> system crazy."
> >>
> >> "I was offered access to resources to further my research into
> >> electronic warfare and also provided with a budget to
> influence the
> >> civil service."
> >>
> >> "I provided the corporation with advice on laundering funds and
> >> depleting general revenues in order to avoid payment of
> sales tax and
> >> GST."
> >>
> >> "Other contributions involved a info-war attack against
> the Ontario
> >> Film Review Board.  This included setting up paid moles within the
> >> ministry."
> >>
> >> In conclusion, the GA list has demonstrated conclusively it cannot
> >> self-govern. Avri's experiment to give the GA list some legitimacy
> >> should be aborted immediately. At a minimum, the list needs to be
> >> renamed, to proper reflect its lack of recognition within
> ICANN, and
> >> to stop confusion to others not aware of this (for example, the PC
> >> World reporter who fell for these antics).
> >>
> >> If Avri, who made it a personal priority to hand over the
> keys of the
> >> asylum to the inmates, does feel this "election"
> >> was legitimate, I'd like her to post affirmatively to that effect,
> >> and reconcile ALL of the above, and stop suggesting that
> GNSO Council
> >> endorsed this circus. If Avri considers 4 or 5 "votes" to even
> >> constitute a quorum, on a list of
> >> 200+ subscribers, I'd like to see the logic. The lack of voting
> >> indicates that they do not want to participate in this
> circus of an
> >> "election."
> >>
> >> And if one considers that:
> >>
> >> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/msg07777.html
> >>
> >> "I would lke to see the GA appoint an executive and get
> itself a bank
> >> account.
> >>
> >> "get itself a bank account" !! ICANN Board members should
> seriously
> >> consider the ramifications of that, given the above.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> George Kirikos
> >> http://www.kirikos.com/
> >>
> >> --- Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I beleive the vote is not closed.  Below are the vote counts.
> >> >
> >> > Debbie Garside          Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> >> > George Kirikos          Spoiled Ballot
> >> > Sotiris Sotiropoulos    Spoiled Ballot
> >> > Dominik Filipp           Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> >> > Eric Hugh Dierker      Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> >> > Joe Baptista               Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> >> > David Scott                Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> >> >
> >> > Total votes for Eric Hugh Dierker         5
> >> > Total spoiled ballots                             2
> >> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >> > Total Votes in this Election                   7
> >> >
> >> > If my co-monitor concurs with me then Eric Hugh Dierker
> is elected.
> >> > If
> >> > any mistakes have been made - please advise.
> >> >
> >> > regards
> >> > joe baptista
> >> >
> >> > --
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