RE: GA "Election" was fake, ignore the "results" ( was Re: [ga] Elections Results - vote count)

["Abel Wisman" <abel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

George, 

Your posts are more and more of a troll like charachter, if you do not 
recognise Joe's being a list monitor/moderator then certainly you will 
recognise me being such, in which case I kindly ask you to cease this type of 
posting.

regards

Abel Wisman


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
George Kirikos
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:48 PM
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Subject: GA "Election" was fake, ignore the "results" ( was Re: [ga] Elections 
Results - vote count)


Hello,

The "election" was obviously an exercise in mental masturbation, and not 
legitimate. By their own "rules" at:

http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg03844.html
http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules5.htm

(where the list rules are hosted at a non-ICANN and thus non-permanent/trusted 
URL, i.e. it can be changed at will by the host; a copy is archived at 
http://www.loffs.com/images/garules5draft.pdf )

1. "The election period shall be at least 14 days"

-- bzzt, "election" was only 2 days!

2. "The election process starts when the GA Secretariat announces that 
nominations are open."

-- deliciously, the GA *has no secretariat* !! :) Try to overcome that one, 
kooks.

3. "The exact time is decided by the outgoing Chair and the Chair of the GNSO."

-- bzzzt, the GA had no legitimate outgoing Chair, and furthermore it is 
unverified that the Chair of the GNSO had any input into the exact time decision

4. "Nominees for the Chair are sent to an email address provided by the 
Secretariat."

-- see above, there is no Secretariat authorized by the GNSO Council for the GA 
mailing list

5. "The watchdogs agree with the Chair and the GNSO Chair the voting mechanism 
to be employed and receive full details of the voting mechanism and oversee all 
votes"

-- there is no evidence the GNSO Chair, Avri Doria, was involved whatsoever in 
the voting mechanism details

6. "Voting is secret; only the secretariat and the committee will be allowed to 
see the votes."

-- obviously, the voting was not secret, and there is no secretariat either, as 
mentioned above

7. "Subscribers must have been members with at least 5 postings to the list, at 
least 90 days prior to the call for an election."

-- David Scott -- never posted on the GA mailing list before. Why did he join? 
Perhaps this post by Joe Baptista on the TLDA mailing list might explain things:

http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/browse_thread/thread/6566d4ff4d26cc20/55a62f00683c7c86?hl=en#55a62f00683c7c86

"We need the votes to put Hugh Dierker over the top."

(archived at: http://www.loffs.com/images/baptista-tlda-votes.pdf in case 
Baptista makes access to that group private)

One might also note that at:

http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/browse_thread/thread/fc6b0e9707744fd7/0609760aace206b7?hl=en#0609760aace206b7

Baptista writes:

"I am pleased to announce that Dr. Eric Hugh Dierker has been added to our 
group. Dr. Dierker is a lawyer who has offered to help us in getting the 
inclusive name space off the ground.
....
Dr. Dierker is International Counsel to Memolin SA de CV, Mexico, Hi-Tek.com.vn 
Vietnam. DOTVN. Maquiledoras representative in Tijuana, ... "

(archived at: http://www.loffs.com/images/baptista-dierker-lawyer.pdf )

Hardly an independent choice as "monitor" of a list or an "election."

He describes "Dr. Dierker" as a lawyer.....when it's clear from the California 
Bar Association's website that he is not a bar member.

http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=112873

"This member is resigned and may not practice law in California."

And as Karl Auerbach pointed out:

http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00203.html
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=bpc&group=06001-07000&file=6125-6140.05

"6125.  No person shall practice law in California unless the person is an 
active member of the State Bar."

An examination of Dierker's post to the TLDA group at:

http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/msg/0a044154badf4b61?dmode=source

(archived at: http://www.loffs.com/images/dierker-lawyer-ipaddress.pdf
)

shows an IP address of 71.136.67.252

http://whois.domaintools.com/71.136.67.252

which is San Diego, California. Furthermore, at:

http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-whois-wg/msg00015.html

"1. Current occupation,
 Dierker Consultancy. Consultant for Internet marketing firms operating in 
Vietnam, Mexico, Canada and the USA 2. Work performed in 1 above,  Legal and 
marketing consulting services regarding registration and maintenance of data 
bases."

Obviously, legal services are inconsistent with the known facts from the 
California State Bar:

http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=112873

"This member is resigned and may not practice law in California."

And in case more information is needed on Baptista, besides what I've already 
posted at:

http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00152.html
http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00138.html

consider:

http://groups.google.ca/group/bit.listserv.lawsch-l/browse_thread/thread/113a3fd7330c2e13/c53b5b6b9d289288?hl=en&lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#c53b5b6b9d289288

"He wanted to know how I was driving the police and the system crazy."

"I was offered access to resources to further my research into electronic 
warfare and also provided with a budget to influence the civil service." 

"I provided the corporation with advice on laundering funds and depleting 
general revenues in order to avoid payment of sales tax and GST." 

"Other contributions involved a info-war attack against the Ontario Film Review 
Board.  This included setting up paid moles within the ministry." 

In conclusion, the GA list has demonstrated conclusively it cannot self-govern. 
Avri's experiment to give the GA list some legitimacy should be aborted 
immediately. At a minimum, the list needs to be renamed, to proper reflect its 
lack of recognition within ICANN, and to stop confusion to others not aware of 
this (for example, the PC World reporter who fell for these antics).

If Avri, who made it a personal priority to hand over the keys of the asylum to 
the inmates, does feel this "election" was legitimate, I'd like her to post 
affirmatively to that effect, and reconcile ALL of the above, and stop 
suggesting that GNSO Council endorsed this circus. If Avri considers 4 or 5 
"votes" to even constitute a quorum, on a list of
200+ subscribers, I'd like to see the logic. The lack of voting
indicates that they do not want to participate in this circus of an "election."

And if one considers that:

http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/msg07777.html

"I would lke to see the GA appoint an executive and get itself a bank account.

"get itself a bank account" !! ICANN Board members should seriously consider 
the ramifications of that, given the above.

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
http://www.kirikos.com/

--- Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I beleive the vote is not closed.  Below are the vote counts.
> 
> Debbie Garside          Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> George Kirikos          Spoiled Ballot
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos    Spoiled Ballot
> Dominik Filipp           Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> Eric Hugh Dierker      Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> Joe Baptista               Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> David Scott                Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> 
> Total votes for Eric Hugh Dierker         5
> Total spoiled ballots                             2
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Total Votes in this Election                   7
> 
> If my co-monitor concurs with me then Eric Hugh Dierker is elected. 
> If
> any mistakes have been made - please advise.
> 
> regards
> joe baptista
> 
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