RE: GA "Election" was fake, ignore the "results" ( was Re: [ga] Elections Results - vote count)

[George Kirikos <gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello,

--- Abel Wisman <abel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Your posts are more and more of a troll like charachter, if you do
> not recognise Joe's being a list monitor/moderator then certainly you
> will recognise me being such, in which case I kindly ask you to cease
> this type of posting.

Exactly which part of the posts do you object to, and why?

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
http://www.kirikos.com/

 
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> Subject: GA "Election" was fake, ignore the "results" ( was Re: [ga]
> Elections Results - vote count)
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> The "election" was obviously an exercise in mental masturbation, and
> not legitimate. By their own "rules" at:
> 
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg03844.html
> http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules5.htm
> 
> (where the list rules are hosted at a non-ICANN and thus
> non-permanent/trusted URL, i.e. it can be changed at will by the
> host; a copy is archived at
> http://www.loffs.com/images/garules5draft.pdf )
> 
> 1. "The election period shall be at least 14 days"
> 
> -- bzzt, "election" was only 2 days!
> 
> 2. "The election process starts when the GA Secretariat announces
> that nominations are open."
> 
> -- deliciously, the GA *has no secretariat* !! :) Try to overcome
> that one, kooks.
> 
> 3. "The exact time is decided by the outgoing Chair and the Chair of
> the GNSO."
> 
> -- bzzzt, the GA had no legitimate outgoing Chair, and furthermore it
> is unverified that the Chair of the GNSO had any input into the exact
> time decision
> 
> 4. "Nominees for the Chair are sent to an email address provided by
> the Secretariat."
> 
> -- see above, there is no Secretariat authorized by the GNSO Council
> for the GA mailing list
> 
> 5. "The watchdogs agree with the Chair and the GNSO Chair the voting
> mechanism to be employed and receive full details of the voting
> mechanism and oversee all votes"
> 
> -- there is no evidence the GNSO Chair, Avri Doria, was involved
> whatsoever in the voting mechanism details
> 
> 6. "Voting is secret; only the secretariat and the committee will be
> allowed to see the votes."
> 
> -- obviously, the voting was not secret, and there is no secretariat
> either, as mentioned above
> 
> 7. "Subscribers must have been members with at least 5 postings to
> the list, at least 90 days prior to the call for an election."
> 
> -- David Scott -- never posted on the GA mailing list before. Why did
> he join? Perhaps this post by Joe Baptista on the TLDA mailing list
> might explain things:
> 
>
http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/browse_thread/thread/6566d4ff4d26cc20/55a62f00683c7c86?hl=en#55a62f00683c7c86
> 
> "We need the votes to put Hugh Dierker over the top."
> 
> (archived at: http://www.loffs.com/images/baptista-tlda-votes.pdf in
> case Baptista makes access to that group private)
> 
> One might also note that at:
> 
>
http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/browse_thread/thread/fc6b0e9707744fd7/0609760aace206b7?hl=en#0609760aace206b7
> 
> Baptista writes:
> 
> "I am pleased to announce that Dr. Eric Hugh Dierker has been added
> to our group. Dr. Dierker is a lawyer who has offered to help us in
> getting the inclusive name space off the ground.
> ....
> Dr. Dierker is International Counsel to Memolin SA de CV, Mexico,
> Hi-Tek.com.vn Vietnam. DOTVN. Maquiledoras representative in Tijuana,
> ... "
> 
> (archived at: http://www.loffs.com/images/baptista-dierker-lawyer.pdf
> )
> 
> Hardly an independent choice as "monitor" of a list or an "election."
> 
> He describes "Dr. Dierker" as a lawyer.....when it's clear from the
> California Bar Association's website that he is not a bar member.
> 
> http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=112873
> 
> "This member is resigned and may not practice law in California."
> 
> And as Karl Auerbach pointed out:
> 
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00203.html
>
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=bpc&group=06001-07000&file=6125-6140.05
> 
> "6125.  No person shall practice law in California unless the person
> is an active member of the State Bar."
> 
> An examination of Dierker's post to the TLDA group at:
> 
>
http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/msg/0a044154badf4b61?dmode=source
> 
> (archived at:
> http://www.loffs.com/images/dierker-lawyer-ipaddress.pdf
> )
> 
> shows an IP address of 71.136.67.252
> 
> http://whois.domaintools.com/71.136.67.252
> 
> which is San Diego, California. Furthermore, at:
> 
> http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-whois-wg/msg00015.html
> 
> "1. Current occupation,
>  Dierker Consultancy. Consultant for Internet marketing firms
> operating in Vietnam, Mexico, Canada and the USA 2. Work performed in
> 1 above,  Legal and marketing consulting services regarding
> registration and maintenance of data bases."
> 
> Obviously, legal services are inconsistent with the known facts from
> the California State Bar:
> 
> http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=112873
> 
> "This member is resigned and may not practice law in California."
> 
> And in case more information is needed on Baptista, besides what I've
> already posted at:
> 
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00152.html
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00138.html
> 
> consider:
> 
>
http://groups.google.ca/group/bit.listserv.lawsch-l/browse_thread/thread/113a3fd7330c2e13/c53b5b6b9d289288?hl=en&lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#c53b5b6b9d289288
> 
> "He wanted to know how I was driving the police and the system
> crazy."
> 
> "I was offered access to resources to further my research into
> electronic warfare and also provided with a budget to influence the
> civil service." 
> 
> "I provided the corporation with advice on laundering funds and
> depleting general revenues in order to avoid payment of sales tax and
> GST." 
> 
> "Other contributions involved a info-war attack against the Ontario
> Film Review Board.  This included setting up paid moles within the
> ministry." 
> 
> In conclusion, the GA list has demonstrated conclusively it cannot
> self-govern. Avri's experiment to give the GA list some legitimacy
> should be aborted immediately. At a minimum, the list needs to be
> renamed, to proper reflect its lack of recognition within ICANN, and
> to stop confusion to others not aware of this (for example, the PC
> World reporter who fell for these antics).
> 
> If Avri, who made it a personal priority to hand over the keys of the
> asylum to the inmates, does feel this "election" was legitimate, I'd
> like her to post affirmatively to that effect, and reconcile ALL of
> the above, and stop suggesting that GNSO Council endorsed this
> circus. If Avri considers 4 or 5 "votes" to even constitute a quorum,
> on a list of
> 200+ subscribers, I'd like to see the logic. The lack of voting
> indicates that they do not want to participate in this circus of an
> "election."
> 
> And if one considers that:
> 
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/msg07777.html
> 
> "I would lke to see the GA appoint an executive and get itself a bank
> account.
> 
> "get itself a bank account" !! ICANN Board members should seriously
> consider the ramifications of that, given the above.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> George Kirikos
> http://www.kirikos.com/
> 
> --- Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > I beleive the vote is not closed.  Below are the vote counts.
> > 
> > Debbie Garside          Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> > George Kirikos          Spoiled Ballot
> > Sotiris Sotiropoulos    Spoiled Ballot
> > Dominik Filipp           Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> > Eric Hugh Dierker      Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> > Joe Baptista               Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> > David Scott                Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> > 
> > Total votes for Eric Hugh Dierker         5
> > Total spoiled ballots                             2
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> > Total Votes in this Election                   7
> > 
> > If my co-monitor concurs with me then Eric Hugh Dierker is elected.
> 
> > If
> > any mistakes have been made - please advise.
> > 
> > regards
> > joe baptista
> > 
> > -- 
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