George,
Your posts are more and more of a troll like charachter, if you do
not recognise Joe's being a list monitor/moderator then certainly
you will recognise me being such, in which case I kindly ask you to
cease this type of posting.
regards
Abel Wisman
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From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of George Kirikos
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:48 PM
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: avri@xxxxxxx; vint@xxxxxxxxxx; twomey@xxxxxxxxx;
roberto@xxxxxxxxx; jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: GA "Election" was fake, ignore the "results" ( was Re:
[ga] Elections Results - vote count)
Hello,
The "election" was obviously an exercise in mental masturbation,
and not legitimate. By their own "rules" at:
http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg03844.html
http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules5.htm
(where the list rules are hosted at a non-ICANN and thus non-
permanent/trusted URL, i.e. it can be changed at will by the host;
a copy is archived at http://www.loffs.com/images/garules5draft.pdf )
1. "The election period shall be at least 14 days"
-- bzzt, "election" was only 2 days!
2. "The election process starts when the GA Secretariat announces
that nominations are open."
-- deliciously, the GA *has no secretariat* !! :) Try to overcome
that one, kooks.
3. "The exact time is decided by the outgoing Chair and the Chair
of the GNSO."
-- bzzzt, the GA had no legitimate outgoing Chair, and furthermore
it is unverified that the Chair of the GNSO had any input into the
exact time decision
4. "Nominees for the Chair are sent to an email address provided by
the Secretariat."
-- see above, there is no Secretariat authorized by the GNSO
Council for the GA mailing list
5. "The watchdogs agree with the Chair and the GNSO Chair the
voting mechanism to be employed and receive full details of the
voting mechanism and oversee all votes"
-- there is no evidence the GNSO Chair, Avri Doria, was involved
whatsoever in the voting mechanism details
6. "Voting is secret; only the secretariat and the committee will
be allowed to see the votes."
-- obviously, the voting was not secret, and there is no
secretariat either, as mentioned above
7. "Subscribers must have been members with at least 5 postings to
the list, at least 90 days prior to the call for an election."
-- David Scott -- never posted on the GA mailing list before. Why
did he join? Perhaps this post by Joe Baptista on the TLDA mailing
list might explain things:
http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/browse_thread/thread/
6566d4ff4d26cc20/55a62f00683c7c86?hl=en#55a62f00683c7c86
"We need the votes to put Hugh Dierker over the top."
(archived at: http://www.loffs.com/images/baptista-tlda-votes.pdf
in case Baptista makes access to that group private)
One might also note that at:
http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/browse_thread/thread/
fc6b0e9707744fd7/0609760aace206b7?hl=en#0609760aace206b7
Baptista writes:
"I am pleased to announce that Dr. Eric Hugh Dierker has been added
to our group. Dr. Dierker is a lawyer who has offered to help us in
getting the inclusive name space off the ground.
....
Dr. Dierker is International Counsel to Memolin SA de CV, Mexico,
Hi-Tek.com.vn Vietnam. DOTVN. Maquiledoras representative in
Tijuana, ... "
(archived at: http://www.loffs.com/images/baptista-dierker-
lawyer.pdf )
Hardly an independent choice as "monitor" of a list or an "election."
He describes "Dr. Dierker" as a lawyer.....when it's clear from the
California Bar Association's website that he is not a bar member.
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=112873
"This member is resigned and may not practice law in California."
And as Karl Auerbach pointed out:
http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00203.html
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?
section=bpc&group=06001-07000&file=6125-6140.05
"6125. No person shall practice law in California unless the
person is an active member of the State Bar."
An examination of Dierker's post to the TLDA group at:
http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/msg/0a044154badf4b61?
dmode=source
(archived at: http://www.loffs.com/images/dierker-lawyer-ipaddress.pdf
)
shows an IP address of 71.136.67.252
http://whois.domaintools.com/71.136.67.252
which is San Diego, California. Furthermore, at:
http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-whois-wg/msg00015.html
"1. Current occupation,
Dierker Consultancy. Consultant for Internet marketing firms
operating in Vietnam, Mexico, Canada and the USA 2. Work performed
in 1 above, Legal and marketing consulting services regarding
registration and maintenance of data bases."
Obviously, legal services are inconsistent with the known facts
from the California State Bar:
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=112873
"This member is resigned and may not practice law in California."
And in case more information is needed on Baptista, besides what
I've already posted at:
http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00152.html
http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00138.html
consider:
http://groups.google.ca/group/bit.listserv.lawsch-l/browse_thread/
thread/113a3fd7330c2e13/c53b5b6b9d289288?
hl=en&lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#c53b5b6b9d289288
"He wanted to know how I was driving the police and the system crazy."
"I was offered access to resources to further my research into
electronic warfare and also provided with a budget to influence the
civil service."
"I provided the corporation with advice on laundering funds and
depleting general revenues in order to avoid payment of sales tax
and GST."
"Other contributions involved a info-war attack against the Ontario
Film Review Board. This included setting up paid moles within the
ministry."
In conclusion, the GA list has demonstrated conclusively it cannot
self-govern. Avri's experiment to give the GA list some legitimacy
should be aborted immediately. At a minimum, the list needs to be
renamed, to proper reflect its lack of recognition within ICANN,
and to stop confusion to others not aware of this (for example, the
PC World reporter who fell for these antics).
If Avri, who made it a personal priority to hand over the keys of
the asylum to the inmates, does feel this "election" was
legitimate, I'd like her to post affirmatively to that effect, and
reconcile ALL of the above, and stop suggesting that GNSO Council
endorsed this circus. If Avri considers 4 or 5 "votes" to even
constitute a quorum, on a list of
200+ subscribers, I'd like to see the logic. The lack of voting
indicates that they do not want to participate in this circus of an
"election."
And if one considers that:
http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/msg07777.html
"I would lke to see the GA appoint an executive and get itself a
bank account.
"get itself a bank account" !! ICANN Board members should seriously
consider the ramifications of that, given the above.
Sincerely,
George Kirikos
http://www.kirikos.com/
--- Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I beleive the vote is not closed. Below are the vote counts.
Debbie Garside Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
George Kirikos Spoiled Ballot
Sotiris Sotiropoulos Spoiled Ballot
Dominik Filipp Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
Eric Hugh Dierker Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
Joe Baptista Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
David Scott Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
Total votes for Eric Hugh Dierker 5
Total spoiled ballots 2
---------------------------------------------------
Total Votes in this Election 7
If my co-monitor concurs with me then Eric Hugh Dierker is elected.
If
any mistakes have been made - please advise.
regards
joe baptista
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