Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures

[Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@xxxxxxxxxxx]

Yes, UTC
Wolf-Ulrich

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Am 30.04.2013 um 17:50 schrieb Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:

> 
> Right, so we seem to be settling on option 1, a fixed time zone.
> Just need to settle on which - UTC or PST and then we can put it out for
> standard comment.
> 
> I think UTC since so much of our communication still refers to this at
> least.
> Given our meetings are at variable times, it should be approximately fair
> overall.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: 30 April 2013 15:29
> To: Wendy Seltzer
> Cc: WUKnoben; jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Zahid Jamil'; 'Marika Konings';
> council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
> 
> I agree, Option 2 would complicate things too much. I thought that for
> 24:00 where the sender is located might work too, but a tough deadline would
> be the clearer option.
> 
> Volker
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Since I proposed the reconfiguration to give people the clearest 
>> notice of when motions were due, I'd recommend option 1. I recognize 
>> that the amount of time wouldn't be quite the same from month to 
>> month, but the deadline would be fixed. (I preferred 8 calendar days, 
>> but 10 is a fine
>> compromise.)
>> 
>> --Wendy
>> 
>> 
>> On 04/29/2013 03:02 PM, WUKnoben wrote:
>>> We vary the meeting times to balance the incommodities as best as 
>>> possible. I think its consequent to vary the motion deadlines with 
>>> the meeting times, too (option #2).
>>> The deadlines can be published with the meeting calendar in addition 
>>> to every single reminder.
>>> 
>>> Best regards
>>> 
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>> 
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Jonathan Robinson
>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:31 PM
>>> To: 'Zahid Jamil' ; 'Volker Greimann'
>>> Cc: 'Wendy Seltzer' ; 'Marika Konings' ; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
>>> 
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> I'd like to close this off and move to posting it for public comment.
>>> 
>>> My understanding is that we are agreed on 10 calendar days as this is 
>>> global and meets what was originally intended.
>>> 
>>> As far as a time-zone is concerned, we have two options:
>>> 
>>> 1. Choose a fixed time zone in which the 23h59 cut-off occurs.  There 
>>> is no universally fair time zone to use for a global audience but UTC 
>>> seems as close to a standard as we have.
>>> PST provides for a later sunset but is arguably less of a standard 
>>> than UTC.
>>> 
>>> OR
>>> 
>>> 2. Agree that the cut-off is 10 calendar days (exactly) before the 
>>> meeting occurs.  This will mean that the time of the cut-off varies 
>>> on a per meeting basis.
>>> This is probably most fair but could lead to confusion since it 
>>> varies on a per meeting basis.
>>> Still, as long as the cut-off time is sent as part of the reminder in 
>>> calling for motions, it seems reasonable.
>>> 
>>> Any comments or inputs, please provide them ASAP before we move to 
>>> public comment.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Zahid Jamil
>>> Sent: 23 April 2013 14:47
>>> To: Volker Greimann
>>> Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings; 
>>> <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Zahid Jamil
>>> Barrister-at-law
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>>> On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:45, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a
>>> policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing 
>>> motions short for our American councillors compared to right now.
>>>> Volker
>>>> 
>>>>> I support Wendy's language.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Zahid Jamil
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>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson"
>>> <jonathan.robinson@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for 
>>>>>> inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 
>>>>>> 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest 
>>>>>> we post for public comment.
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