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Re: [ga] Bridging the GAP
- To: Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [ga] Bridging the GAP
- From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 14:47:05 -0400 (EDT)
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<P>Eric and all,</P>
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<P> My response this time in interspersed below Eric's
remarks...<BR><BR><BR></P>
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<HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: May 16, 2010 10:17 AM <BR>To: "Jeffrey A.
Williams" <JWKCKID1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc: Accountability Headquarters
<GA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Subject: [ga] Bridging the GAP <BR><BR>
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<DIV>Thank you Jeff. A very nice layout of how social and engineering
type problems begin. Some folks look for issues, and build molehills,
then mountains. Just as others focus on the end of the journey and miss the
trip. I really do not see a need for a bridge to nowhere.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am not sure what your eluding to here in my previous observations and
remarks. As a guess only, I suspect that your</DIV>
<DIV>more concerned about cost than good product. That is a typical error
in judgment when setting up such organizations</DIV>
<DIV>and assiciated web sites. Still if my guess is correct, your concern
is none the less not trivial, but far less important</DIV>
<DIV>than protecting members privacy and to a lessor extent, security in this
instance.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It is good we are moving forward. Andy really makes a most salient point
and your need to build a custom job fits right in. Perhaps someone will want to
build a very special project just for the GA. If ICANN did that they would have
more control. On the otherhand the more like a tent - the more we can pack up
and move to avoid capture. While there are great security concerns and
anti-spamming and phishing issues,,, someone would have to convince us that we
are at the level of threat that warranted such expenditures. I seldom
take my armored vehicle and chase vehicle and all 5 of my security to the
grocery store.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Given the level of opertunity to threat already existing,
significant privacy and to a lessor extent security is NOW and</DIV>
<DIV>initially necessary for any organization of the GA and it's members
especially given the history of the GA. Anti-spamming</DIV>
<DIV>is not expensive or difficult to address if constant diligance is
present. Protecting privacy and providing for reasonably</DIV>
<DIV>good security is unless someone is willing to cut the GA a hus in cost or
a well healed benifactor is willing to step</DIV>
<DIV>forward with no strings attached. Either are possible if some
current GA member(s) is/are willing to shop that around and</DIV>
<DIV>wear down some shoe leather 'on the come' accordingly. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Another method I hadn't re-mentioned is a do it on the cheep for
voting and forgo anonymous ballots by</DIV>
<DIV>using Kent Crispins old 'on the E-mail list' voting method with
predesinged ballots for each vote. This method</DIV>
<DIV>of course has it's own other problems as we have seen in the past if one
can recall, which I can and recently</DIV>
<DIV>reviewed my GA archives regarding accordingly. Still we must have
all the keys to the GA mailing list</DIV>
<DIV>turned over to us by ICANN, which I think will be the biggest hurdel to
jump or hoop to jump through. And</DIV>
<DIV>without Dr. Joe being restored and appologized too publically, it is
difficult for to see how real ligitimacy</DIV>
<DIV>can be recognized or otherwise achieved even at this low level.
Second problem with this low level method</DIV>
<DIV>is that the recirminations or personal vendettas that would
possibly/likely arise as a result of knowing how</DIV>
<DIV>each member voted on every ballot or poll would perhaps be significant and
as such damage individuals</DIV>
<DIV>on several levels, and perhaps for years to come. As we have all
either directly or indirectly noticed such</DIV>
<DIV>on the GA list for years now and have a high level of personal anomosity
already, rubbing such salt in those</DIV>
<DIV>wounds is of little help or positive value IMO. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 5/15/10, Jeffrey A. Williams
<I><jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Subject: Re: [ga] RE: GA Very Relevant<BR>To:
"Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>, "Accountability Headquarters"
<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx,
cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Cc: "Rod Beckstrom" <rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx>,
ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx, jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx<BR>Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 3:12
PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Eric and all,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> I gave you one already on 05/13/10, see again: <A
href="http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg04002.html";
target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg04002.html</A></DIV>
<DIV>You can also easily do a search on a "Good Search Engine" <
Something other than Google >,</DIV>
<DIV>on 'online voting software', and get some very good results. For the
record, I don't recommend any </DIV>
<DIV>particular providers on voting software other than to stay away from PHP
script based products for</DIV>
<DIV>security and privacy reasons, and so that such does not become an
attractive target for cyber-terrorists</DIV>
<DIV>or other criminal elements. Low hanging fruit such as online voting
mechanisms, are prime targets as are</DIV>
<DIV>social web sites, ect., ect... A significantly/strongly secure web
site for operating/running such</DIV>
<DIV>voting software is also a must as is Anonymous voting and registration, by
recent US law. This means</DIV>
<DIV>that initial setup can get a bit costly - $50k - $150k initially, but that
is one time cost that can be</DIV>
<DIV>prorated over time and if the GA decides to register as a non-profit corp.
or a LLA. garnering initial</DIV>
<DIV>funding isn't even in these financially difficult times, too difficult a
burden even though I suspect</DIV>
<DIV>a bit more than half of it will need to be borrowed $$ to which someone
will need to take financial</DIV>
<DIV>responsibility for in some fashion.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><BR> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff
2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Hugh Dierker <BR>Sent: May 13,
2010 5:53 PM <BR>To: Accountability Headquarters , baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx, "Jeffrey A. Williams" <BR>Cc: Rod Beckstrom <BR>Subject:
Re: [ga] RE: GA Very Relevant <BR><BR>
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<DIV>Good Jeff, very very good.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Please openly and transparently send to me on this list 3 recommended
voting/poling links.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I anticipate paying for these myself all openly here in the GA. So think
cheap and think private because we have those who will not vote if others
know.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 5/13/10, Jeffrey A. Williams
<I><jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Jeffrey A. Williams
<jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Subject: Re: [ga] RE: GA Very Relevant<BR>To:
"Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>, "Accountability Headquarters"
<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Cc:
"Rod Beckstrom" <rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Date: Thursday, May 13,
2010, 2:46 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Eric and all,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Now this is the right sprit! Well done Eric! First
though we must bring back Dr. Joe. </DIV>
<DIV>We must stand by International principals and norms such as censorship is
bad, openness,</DIV>
<DIV>transparency and freedom of speech is good! That individual privacy
and security for all</DIV>
<DIV>GA members as well as registrants is good, and abragation of same is bad,
ect., ect...</DIV>
<DIV>We can set up our own voting mechnisims easily enough. Will ICANN or
the GNSO</DIV>
<DIV>approve? Maybe, and maybe not? If not, we try again hopefully
with a/or reason(s) why</DIV>
<DIV>the GA's efforts are not recognized or accepted by
ICANN/GNSO.<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff
2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Hugh Dierker <BR>Sent: May 13,
2010 4:03 PM <BR>To: Accountability Headquarters <BR>Cc: Rod Beckstrom
<BR>Subject: Re: [ga] RE: GA Very Relevant <BR><BR>
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<DIV>The answer has always been right here. I mean right here. Set the
voting mechanisms up for us here. We will do the work to bring together the
documents necessary for filing and applying for these constituencies. We are a
part of the GNSO. We are ancient. And best of all we can vote my ne'er do well
sorry self out of here.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This would work for all participants. The organization would be formed
here so that in its infancy it would have no capture issues. The GA would
remain whether the one or two Constituencies prevail or not -- and can even
reform and try again if unprevailing. Input can then be had from all in a
General Assembly forum so that how the formation effects and affects all can be
open and transparent. Consensus here would be open to all and give an even
greater sense of public contribution to the process. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I believe this could have a positive influence from outside to inside and
inside to outside of ICANN. An actual GA is perfect for a corporation that has
no membership or stockholders. It does not dilute other interests. It
does not draw away from ongoing progress in other departments. Think of it not
so much a General Assembly but rather General Admittance.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu,
5/13/10, sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <I><sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Subject: Re: [ga] RE: GA irrelevant<BR>To:
ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:42 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail><BR>Yes, Roberto, please answer Andy's question and then
please revisit my<BR>question on SPECIFICS: How must registrants organize
themselves in a<BR>manner that will be acceptable to ICANN? Will ICANN fund a
voting<BR>mechanism, for instance?<BR><BR>Sotiris Sotiropoulos<BR><BR>Andy
Gardner wrote:<BR>> I trust ICANN will be funding this from the per-domain
tax already paid by<BR>> Registrants?<BR>><BR>> On May 12, 2010, at
4:50 PM, Roberto Gaetano wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>
Sotiris:<BR>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> So, why don't you tell us,
finally, how we should go about<BR>>>> organizing ourselves in a
manner that would be acceptable.<BR>>>> Please be as specific as
possible.<BR>>><BR>>> I thought I already did.<BR>>> Since
the changes to the GNSO structure, proposed by the GNSO Review WG<BR>>>
and<BR>>> the SIC, have been approved by the Board, there is the
concrete<BR>>> possibility<BR>>> of creating a constituency for
registrants. Creation of new<BR>>> constituencies<BR>>> has even
been encouraged last year.<BR>>> This is a new opportunity, something
that did not exist in the past.<BR>>> It is now up to the registrants on
this list or anywhere else to decide<BR>>> whether they want to take
advantage of this opportunity or not.<BR>>><BR>>>
Cheers,<BR>>>
Roberto<BR>>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey
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