[ga] Bridging the GAP

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thank you Jeff.  A very nice layout of how social and engineering type problems 
begin.  Some folks look for issues, and build molehills, then mountains. Just 
as others focus on the end of the journey and miss the trip. I really do not 
see a need for a bridge to nowhere.
 
It is good we are moving forward. Andy really makes a most salient point and 
your need to build a custom job fits right in. Perhaps someone will want to 
build a very special project just for the GA. If ICANN did that they would have 
more control. On the otherhand the more like a tent - the more we can pack up 
and move to avoid capture.  While there are great security concerns and 
anti-spamming and phishing issues,,, someone would have to convince us that we 
are at the level of threat that warranted such expenditures.  I seldom take my 
armored vehicle and chase vehicle and all 5 of my security to the grocery store.

--- On Sat, 5/15/10, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] RE: GA Very Relevant
To: "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>, "Accountability Headquarters" 
<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 
cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Rod Beckstrom" <rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx>, ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 
jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 3:12 PM



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Eric and all,
 
  I gave you one already on 05/13/10, see again: 
http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg04002.html
You can also easily do a search on a "Good Search Engine"  < Something other 
than Google >,
on 'online voting software', and get some very good results.  For the record, I 
don't recommend any 
particular providers on voting software other than to stay away from PHP script 
based products for
security and privacy reasons, and so that such does not become an attractive 
target for cyber-terrorists
or other criminal elements.  Low hanging fruit such as online voting 
mechanisms, are prime targets as are
social web sites, ect., ect...  A significantly/strongly secure web site for 
operating/running such
voting software is also a must as is Anonymous voting and registration, by 
recent US law.  This means
that initial setup can get a bit costly - $50k - $150k initially, but that is 
one time cost that can be
prorated over time and if the GA decides to register as a non-profit corp. or a 
LLA. garnering initial
funding isn't even in these financially difficult times, too difficult a 
burden  even though I suspect
a bit more than half of it will need to be borrowed $$ to which someone will 
need to take financial
responsibility for in some fashion.



 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Hugh Dierker 
Sent: May 13, 2010 5:53 PM 
To: Accountability Headquarters , baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 
"Jeffrey A. Williams" 
Cc: Rod Beckstrom 
Subject: Re: [ga] RE: GA Very Relevant 






Good Jeff, very very good.
 
Please openly and transparently send to me on this list 3 recommended 
voting/poling links.
 
I anticipate paying for these myself all openly here in the GA. So think cheap 
and think private because we have those who will not vote if others know.

--- On Thu, 5/13/10, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] RE: GA Very Relevant
To: "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>, "Accountability Headquarters" 
<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Rod Beckstrom" <rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 2:46 PM



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Eric and all,
 
  Now this is the right sprit!  Well done Eric!  First though we must bring 
back Dr. Joe.  
We must stand by International principals and norms such as censorship is bad, 
openness,
transparency and freedom of speech is good!  That individual privacy and 
security for all
GA members as well as registrants is good, and abragation of same is bad, ect., 
ect...
We can set up our own voting mechnisims easily enough.  Will ICANN or the GNSO
approve?  Maybe, and maybe not?  If not, we try again hopefully with a/or 
reason(s) why
the GA's efforts are not recognized or accepted by ICANN/GNSO.



-----Original Message----- 
From: Hugh Dierker 
Sent: May 13, 2010 4:03 PM 
To: Accountability Headquarters 
Cc: Rod Beckstrom 
Subject: Re: [ga] RE: GA Very Relevant 






The answer has always been right here. I mean right here.  Set the voting 
mechanisms up for us here. We will do the work to bring together the documents 
necessary for filing and applying for these constituencies. We are a part of 
the GNSO. We are ancient. And best of all we can vote my ne'er do well sorry 
self out of here.
 
This would work for all participants. The organization would be formed here so 
that in its infancy it would have no capture issues. The GA would remain 
whether the one or two Constituencies prevail or not -- and can even reform and 
try again if unprevailing. Input can then be had from all in a General Assembly 
forum so that how the formation effects and affects all can be open and 
transparent. Consensus here would be open to all and give an even greater sense 
of public contribution to the process. 
 
I believe this could have a positive influence from outside to inside and 
inside to outside of ICANN. An actual GA is perfect for a corporation that has 
no membership or stockholders.  It does not dilute other interests. It does not 
draw away from ongoing progress in other departments. Think of it not so much a 
General Assembly but rather General Admittance.

--- On Thu, 5/13/10, sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:


From: sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] RE: GA irrelevant
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:42 AM



Yes, Roberto, please answer Andy's question and then please revisit my
question on SPECIFICS: How must registrants organize themselves in a
manner that will be acceptable to ICANN? Will ICANN fund a voting
mechanism, for instance?

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

Andy Gardner wrote:
> I trust ICANN will be funding this from the per-domain tax already paid by
> Registrants?
>
> On May 12, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
>
>>
>> Sotiris:
>>
>>>
>>> So, why don't you tell us, finally, how we should go about
>>> organizing ourselves in a manner that would be acceptable.
>>> Please be as specific as possible.
>>
>> I thought I already did.
>> Since the changes to the GNSO structure, proposed by the GNSO Review WG
>> and
>> the SIC, have been approved by the Board, there is the concrete
>> possibility
>> of creating a constituency for registrants. Creation of new
>> constituencies
>> has even been encouraged last year.
>> This is a new opportunity, something that did not exist in the past.
>> It is now up to the registrants on this list or anywhere else to decide
>> whether they want to take advantage of this opportunity or not.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Roberto
>>
>
>
>




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