Re: [ga] Pending motion of suspension

[Peter Dambier <peter@xxxxxxxx>]

John, I can understand your feelings, I had the same.

But when somebody tries to blackmail Debbie and Debbie has not the
guts to disclose who that blackmailer is - this may very well be
misunderstood as nutty.

Debbie is feared to shit. She even wants to resign. So who is that
evil person?

Do you read the governance list?

ONU wants to replace ICANN with something better. Let's wait for
ONU to take over and in the meantime let's kill all the messengers
who want to warn us. Is that what you mean John?

That guy is obviously supporting ONU and wants ICANN dead.

kind regards
Peter


John Palmer wrote:
> I would like to make an official complaint to the moderator about Joe's
> language.
>  
> Personal attacks are against the rules. Calling someone "nutty" as he
> did below
> violates that rule. Debbie, please take note and apply the rules
> appropriatly.
>  
> Thanks
> 
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Joe Baptista <mailto:baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>     *To:* hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
>     *Cc:* GA <mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; Secretariat
>     <mailto:GNSO.SECRETARIAT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:39 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [ga] Pending motion of suspension
> 
> 
> 
>     On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Hugh Dierker
>     <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>         Thank you Debbie.
>          
>         I took the time to review issues regarding this poster JW. I
>         believe the history between us goes back to 12/99. When this
>         list was denuded under a restructuring JW and I determined to
>         keep it going when it lost 99% of all activity. As is obvious it
>         has rebounded somewhat.
>         Our history creates a situation where it is innappropriate for
>         me to take an active role in matters regarding his discipline.
> 
> 
>     Yes you can.  Thats your job.
> 
>     In point of fact most of Jeff Williams behavior can be corrected
>     using an automation process.  If he goes over the stated limited -
>     he gets baned.  If there are any programmers out there willing to
>     contribute to writing the code - let me know.
> 
>          
>         We need to appoint another monitor in addition to Joe and
>         Debbie. The chair needs to in general not take an active role in
>         monitoring except to monitor the monitors and be the final
>         arbiter and liason to the Secretariat.
> 
> 
>     The chair is showing bad judgment.  We don't need another clown -
>     you me and debbie is more then enough clowns.  The problem is
>     debbie.  She's in my not so humble opinion a bit nutty.
> 
>     Our policy is to first discuss issues amongst ourselves and if the
>     monitor disagreed then you had your say.  And you had your say.  You
>     had your say.  You agreed with me in private discussion that there
>     was no libel, slander, or defamation in the email from Jeff
>     concerning Patrick at ICANN.  An email complaint incidentally that
>     debbie has yet been unable and unwilling to produce.  Maybe if
>     patrick is hanging out here he might want to send me a copy of his
>     complaint.  Debbie the resident star chamber monitor refuses to
>     produce it.
> 
>     Do you understand where I'm coming from here Hugh.  One of the
>     clowns is not playing ball.  She broke our mutual agreement to not
>     act independently and now debbie looks a bit like a fool.  As do I
>     and you.
> 
>     Mr. Chair when an employee breaks the rules the solution is not to
>     appoint another employee.  The solution lies in replacing the faulty
>     unit with someone else.  It's time to retire debbie.
> 
>      
> 
>          
>         This does not solve the current problem as we are short a 3rd
>         monitor. This matter should be continued without prejudice until
>         we fix this glitch.
> 
> 
>     No - were monitor happy.  Again we don't need a third.  We need to
>     replace the renegade monitor.
> 
> 
>          
>         Volunteers for monitor should respond and so indicate publicly
>         on the list.
> 
> 
>     oye - here comes madness.
> 
>     cheers
>     joe baptista
>      
> 
> 
> 
>         --- On *Thu, 4/16/09, Debbie Garside /<debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>         <mailto:debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>/* wrote:
> 
>             From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>             <mailto:debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>             Subject: RE: [ga] Pending motion of suspension
>             To: hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>,
>             "'GA'" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>,
>             "'Secretariat'" <GNSO.SECRETARIAT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>             <mailto:GNSO.SECRETARIAT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>             Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:12 AM
> 
> 
>              
>              
>             My responses are in line.
> 
>                 We wait for the following from Ms. Garside:
>                  
>                 What rule(s) specifically were violated. 
>                  
> 
>                  Rule 3. 3. The messages must observe a minimum of
>                 decorum, including:
> 
>                 - not indulging in what may be perceived as personal
>                 attacks or insults
> 
>             - not using what may be perceived as or is clearly intended
>             to be offensive and/or disruptive language
> 
>             - not indulging in threats of legal action of any kind on
>             list; off list threats may also be forwarded to the Chairman
>             or List Monitor who may decide to take action against the
>             perpetrator of such threats
> 
>             - not exceeding any limitations on the number of posts
>             allowed within a given time period that may be imposed by
>             the GA Chair at the request of members
> 
>             - not exceeding a message size of more than 30KB without
>             exceptional reason 
> 
>              
>             Exactly what language was considered a violation. 
>              
>             As List Monitor, I consider the entire post a violation of
>             the rules.  It was a personal attack, it did not observe a
>             minimum of decorum, I considered it downright offensive and
>             so did the complainant.
>              
>              
>              
>             What authority is there for a single moderator to suspend a
>             member of the list? 
>              
>             Final sentence in 3.3 of our rules which states: "The List
>             Monitor or the Chair may impose sanctions for persistent
>             offenses." 
>              
>             Who was the secret complainant? And specifically what was
>             their complaint? 
>              
>             I am not prepared to divulge the name of the complainant. 
>             It is enough that I have received a complaint and, as List
>             Monitor, I have upheld the complaint. 
>              
>             It would be good if I had the support of the Chair.
>              
>             Debbie
>              
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>             Was the complainant a list member? 
>              
>             NR
>              
>              
>             Should she recuse herself from the matter due to outstanding
>             issues with JW?
>              
>             Let us do this all public like, so we can all get a clue.
>              
>             Certainly pending the information above no action should be
>             taken regarding JWs posting priviledges.
>              
>             I just hope the complainant is not a non list executive or
>             staffer with ICANN. That would be really bad.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     -- 
>     Joe Baptista
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