Re: [ga] Pending motion of suspension

["John Palmer" <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I would like to make an official complaint to the moderator about Joe's 
language. 

Personal attacks are against the rules. Calling someone "nutty" as he did below 
violates that rule. Debbie, please take note and apply the rules appropriatly.

Thanks
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Baptista 
  To: hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx 
  Cc: GA ; Secretariat ; debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [ga] Pending motion of suspension





  On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

          Thank you Debbie. 

          I took the time to review issues regarding this poster JW. I believe 
the history between us goes back to 12/99. When this list was denuded under a 
restructuring JW and I determined to keep it going when it lost 99% of all 
activity. As is obvious it has rebounded somewhat.
          Our history creates a situation where it is innappropriate for me to 
take an active role in matters regarding his discipline. 


  Yes you can.  Thats your job.

  In point of fact most of Jeff Williams behavior can be corrected using an 
automation process.  If he goes over the stated limited - he gets baned.  If 
there are any programmers out there willing to contribute to writing the code - 
let me know.



          We need to appoint another monitor in addition to Joe and Debbie. The 
chair needs to in general not take an active role in monitoring except to 
monitor the monitors and be the final arbiter and liason to the Secretariat. 


  The chair is showing bad judgment.  We don't need another clown - you me and 
debbie is more then enough clowns.  The problem is debbie.  She's in my not so 
humble opinion a bit nutty.

  Our policy is to first discuss issues amongst ourselves and if the monitor 
disagreed then you had your say.  And you had your say.  You had your say.  You 
agreed with me in private discussion that there was no libel, slander, or 
defamation in the email from Jeff concerning Patrick at ICANN.  An email 
complaint incidentally that debbie has yet been unable and unwilling to 
produce.  Maybe if patrick is hanging out here he might want to send me a copy 
of his complaint.  Debbie the resident star chamber monitor refuses to produce 
it.

  Do you understand where I'm coming from here Hugh.  One of the clowns is not 
playing ball.  She broke our mutual agreement to not act independently and now 
debbie looks a bit like a fool.  As do I and you.

  Mr. Chair when an employee breaks the rules the solution is not to appoint 
another employee.  The solution lies in replacing the faulty unit with someone 
else.  It's time to retire debbie.

   

          This does not solve the current problem as we are short a 3rd 
monitor. This matter should be continued without prejudice until we fix this 
glitch. 


  No - were monitor happy.  Again we don't need a third.  We need to replace 
the renegade monitor.




          Volunteers for monitor should respond and so indicate publicly on the 
list. 


  oye - here comes madness.

  cheers
  joe baptista
   


          --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

            From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
            Subject: RE: [ga] Pending motion of suspension
            To: hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx, "'GA'" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, 
"'Secretariat'" <GNSO.SECRETARIAT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
            Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:12 AM





            My responses are in line.
                    We wait for the following from Ms. Garside:

                    What rule(s) specifically were violated. 

                     Rule 3. 3. The messages must observe a minimum of decorum, 
including:

                    - not indulging in what may be perceived as personal 
attacks or insults 
                   

            - not using what may be perceived as or is clearly intended to be 
offensive and/or disruptive language 

            - not indulging in threats of legal action of any kind on list; off 
list threats may also be forwarded to the Chairman or List Monitor who may 
decide to take action against the perpetrator of such threats 

            - not exceeding any limitations on the number of posts allowed 
within a given time period that may be imposed by the GA Chair at the request 
of members 

            - not exceeding a message size of more than 30KB without 
exceptional reason  


            Exactly what language was considered a violation. 

            As List Monitor, I consider the entire post a violation of the 
rules.  It was a personal attack, it did not observe a minimum of decorum, I 
considered it downright offensive and so did the complainant.



            What authority is there for a single moderator to suspend a member 
of the list? 

            Final sentence in 3.3 of our rules which states: "The List Monitor 
or the Chair may impose sanctions for persistent offenses." 

            Who was the secret complainant? And specifically what was their 
complaint? 

            I am not prepared to divulge the name of the complainant.  It is 
enough that I have received a complaint and, as List Monitor, I have upheld the 
complaint. 

            It would be good if I had the support of the Chair.

            Debbie
















            Was the complainant a list member? 

            NR


            Should she recuse herself from the matter due to outstanding issues 
with JW?

            Let us do this all public like, so we can all get a clue.

            Certainly pending the information above no action should be taken 
regarding JWs posting priviledges.

            I just hope the complainant is not a non list executive or staffer 
with ICANN. That would be really bad. 






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