[ga] Re: Lets Talk about the Damage that Joe has Done to the INS (was Re: [ga]Re: The Inclusive Namespace now has a real E-Mail Service-LionMail(tm) has been launched)

["Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

John and all,

  I have to wonder why if as you claim and sustain, you haven't
filed a complaint of what you state below in a court of proper
jurisdiction against those that you believe have wronged you?
Do  you have the documented evidence by which your claims
below could or would at least be considered seriously?  My
guess is that you do not, and if you did, in 2005 you could and
would likely have had any number of legal professionals that
would have been glad to take you case pro bono of at a minimum
on contingency.

Realizing that there could be several answers to these questions
of which I have possed, the fact that 5 years have passed sense
the offensesses you espouse took place, that whatever your answer
may be is in any event likely, if not certain not to be considered
by any court, and therefore dismissed out of hand and accordingly.

  Weak Mr. Palmer, very weak indeed...

John Palmer wrote:

> You have no such information regarding me, Mr. Baptista. It is well
> known that you have a vendetta against Herman Xennt in theNetherlands
> because of some argument you got into with him when youwent over there
> in 2005. At that time, Herman was working on a project that had gotten
> the nationof Turkey as well as Tiscali to support the INS and this was
> the best chancethat we had of "going mainstream". Many people were
> excited about the prospects and there were peopleinvesting time and
> money in the project, including Tiscali. Then something rubbed Joe the
> wrong way and he decided to get on therooftop and scream bloody
> murder. In the months that followed, he slandered hundreds of people,
> as he still doestoday, and contacted many of the big players, making
> wild accusations aboutthe project. In that time, he accused people of
> variously being "crooks","liars", "scam artists", "terrorists" and yes
> even "child molesters". The net result: He destroyed the best chance
> that the INS had to go mainstreamand ICANN was both laughing and
> sighing a breath of relief. "One of the kooks letloose and saved our
> ass by his crazy behavior", they said. Many of us whowere investing
> real money in our registry businesses over the better part ofa decade
> had our best chance ruined by this person. Here are some facts to
> correct Joes lies: FACT: Herman Xennt has never been convicted of
> wrongdoing regarding thesefantasy offenses that Joe claims were
> committed. At first, I stayed out of it,withholding judgment on the
> veracity of the claims, but now, as every day passesand more of Mr.
> Baptista's behavior continues to spew forth like a festeringsewer, I
> am convinced that, most likely, Xennt is innocent, though to be
> honest,I am still not sure. FACT: I have not now, nor have I ever
> worked for Xennt. I run G.PUBLIC-ROOT.COM andhave since before this
> little tiff started in 2005. I run it for the internet users, NOT
> forXennt, NOT for Baptista and NOT for the TLDA. It is irresponsible
> to shut off a criticalpiece of internet backbone infrastructure that
> is still receiving many queries per day.  Godknows, it would be better
> for me to do so, to get this crazy dude off my back (fat chanceof
> that), but I have values. I am an IT person and I live by the ethos of
> maximizing uptimeand not letting the users down, something Joe doesn't
> know or care about. In fact, severalyears back, he interrupted
> internet service for all of Diebold Corporation in one of hislittle
> power trips. (Long story - ask Joe about it). FACT: I have never been
> charged with any crime related to PublicRoot or INAIC and havenot been
> involved in any scam. I have received NO MONIES from anyone related to
> INAICand Public-Root.com. I have no contracts with Public-Root nor
> with INAIC to continueservice and can cut off G.PUBLIC-ROOT.COM any
> time I want. I choose to supportusers, something Mr. Baptista has no
> clue how to do. He destroys things and Icannot find anything of value
> that he has ever created. FACT: I am fully aware that LionMail will
> probably be a cost center and not a profit center. Ideveloped it and
> put it online to provide "content" for the INS. There are many
> others,especially in the TLDA that care about working to develope our
> industry by volunteeringtheir time to develope institutions and
> infrastructure in the INS. The biggest single impedimentto our work
> has been Joe Baptista. He comes onto the Members mailing list and
> starts fightswith everyone, diverting attention from our work and
> nit-picking about nonsense. Thats whyI can't help but thinking that he
> is a plant from ICANN, or someone who supports ICANN - hedoes so much
> destruction and seems to be at his worst when the INS is just about to
> havea victory.  Just check out the TLDA Members list archive
> (http://tldainc..org/pipermail/members_tldainc.org/)for the last few
> months and see what a mess he's made of things.Joe Baptista is well
> known for his condescending, manipulative behavior and hisslanderous
> remarks (i.e. calling people "scam artists" and "criminals") - and
> no,he does not say "in my opinion, they are criminals", he states it
> as fact, which isactionable slander, in the US and, I believe in
> Canada as well. He has glommed on to the TLDA and will not let go. He
> makes the arrogant statementthat he has some right to act as a little
> dictator and order everyone around, when nosuch authority was ever
> given to him. He is not an officer of the organization, not on the
> Boardof Directors, yet he tries to act as if he is some sort of gift
> from god to the INS and that peopleshould all just listen to him. I
> think he is a control freak and a psychopathwho only escapes
> punishment because he has no assets to seize in a civil judgement. Joe
> regularily telephones people, using a caller-id obfuscator, which is a
> federalcrime in the USA, and leaves harassing, insulting and
> threatening voicemails. Ihave several of these saved. Joe has insulted
> and demeaned anyone who doesn't completely agree with himor doesn't
> let him take complete control. He has beaten up poor Karl Peters,
> theTLDA President, over and over again, calling him a "welfare bum"
> and "worthless"(see the list archives above). Karl is a hard working
> family man who stuck hisneck out to keep the TLDA alive, and Joe has
> just run roughshod over him becauseKarl refuses to kowtow to Joe's
> demands. He has no authority to make any demands. His "silent
> majority" of TLD holdersthat have "hired him to work for them" never
> seem to show up anywhere andits been years. He is not a "Dr." - some
> people address him as such. As far as anyone can tell, hehas no formal
> education at all - at least not that anyone can tell. Joe is the
> classic online harasser. There were just several news shows about
> this,including a case where a girl was driven to suicide by a the
> mother of her rival whostalked her online. Until there are criminal
> sanctions for the kind of abuse of the internetthat Baptista engages
> in on a daily basis, there isn't a whole lot that can be done exceptto
> stand up to him. Joe got started in his career of harassment, bullying
> and slander by bothering the bravelaw enforcement officers near his
> residence in Peterborough, Ontario. See these links for more
> information:
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/defamation/liability.html
>
> "The issue of ISP liability has also arisen in Canada. For example,
> where the original authors may be judgment proof, the plaintiff could
> seek a remedy from an intermediary. For example, in Fantino v. Baptista,
> an Ontario policeman obtained a modest default judgment for CDN$40,000
> for damages in respect to some defamatory electronic messages. The
> defendant, who claimed he had no assets and could afford to ignore the
> judgment, reportedly told a newspaper reporter he was an "Internet god"
> who was engaged in a war against the government. This type of defendant
> may lead plaintiffs to sue "deep pocket" defendants such as large
> ISP?. (64)"
>
> and more here
>
>
>
> http://lists.samurai.com/pipermail/bryans-list/1995-October/000666.html
>
> In these articles, it points out that:
>
> ... "Baptista claims he is an "Internet god" and "at war with the
> Canadian government" since April, 1993."
>
> and that the plantiffs lawyer in the case:
>
> ...."said he doubts Baptista is mentally unfit, despite his wild
> statements..
>
> A LITTLE WEIRD: "He may be a little weird, but he's not crazy," he said.
> "I think he's just putting on a show."
>
> Just trying to clear up the records, seeing as how the moderators don't care. 
> Since
>
> they don't, I'll have to defend myself on my own.
>
>
>
> Hope you don't mind, Hugh, since as you say, there aren't any rules being 
> enforced anymore.
>
>
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Joe Baptista
>      To: John Palmer
>      Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>      Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:38 PM
>      Subject: Re: [ga] Re: The Inclusive Namespace now has a real
>      E-Mail Service -LionMail(tm) has been launched
>
>      On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:04 PM, John
>      Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>           Slander is a violaton of list rules. I have made a
>           formal complaint to the list moderator, both about
>           Mr. Baptista's messages but also
>
>
>      Excellent.  I have taken the time to email the list monitor
>      Debbie Garside and the Chair Hugh Dierker and am more then
>      interested in defending against the formal complain.
>      Remember John it's not slander if its true.  And I say again
>      - you are a scam artist and I will provide sufficient
>      documentation to prove that - including phony corporations,
>      police reports, court records, etc. etc. etc.
>
>           about Mr. Williams slanderous domain remarks as
>           well.
>
>
>      Now that is nonsense.  Slanderous domain remarks?  Now thats
>      a new area of law I'm not familiar with.
>
>      cheers .. and the pleasure is all mine.
>      joe baptista
>
>
>                ----- Original Message -----
>                From: Joe Baptista
>                To: Jeffrey A. Williams
>                Cc: jp@xxxxxxxx ; abuse@xxxxxxxx ; DHS
>                cert ; DHS security alert ; John Palmer
>                ; hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx ;
>                ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; DHS info ; GAO sec
>                Greg Wilshusen ; FTC IP marketplace
>                comments ; FTC OIG's office ; ICANN SSAC
>                ; ICANN SSAC Dave Piscitello ; Steve
>                Crocker ; Paul Levins ; Cheryl Preston ;
>                2nd address Cheryl Langdon-Orr ; Avri
>                Doria
>                Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:20 PM
>                Subject: Re: [ga] Re: The Inclusive
>                Namespace now has a real E-Mail Service
>                -LionMail(tm) has been launched
>
>                Well the HEX is one big legal scam and
>                John is a major part of it.  An
>                operative of sorts.  You can check his
>                association out here.
>
>                 (false on both accounts)
>
>
>
>
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>      Joe Baptista
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