RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments

["Dominik Filipp" <dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx>]

Shane,
 
if you think that $0.20 fee can prevent tasters from continuing in the
practice read my post here with subject "How To Unleash Domain Tasting
For $0.20" from Fri 2/1/2008.
 
Dominik

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From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Shane Kinsch
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 2:57 AM
To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments



Wow, I would have to disagree.  Assume the x% is actually 1%.  Let's do
the math in this example:

 

Quarterly a Registrar registers: 2,000 new domains.  1% of 2,000 is 20.
So you have 20 that are "free" of the $0.20 fee.  Anything more than
that you pay $0.20 per domain.  To better emphasize what I'm referring
to, that previous example is of a typical legitimate registrar on the
low end of transactions.

 

If you're in the business of domain tasting / kiting, then your average
% of drops per registration is going to be very high, possibly around
80% or more, but we'll be conservative.   So back to the original minor
example, 80% of 2,000 is 1,600 dropped, subtract the free 1% or 20
domains, that leaves 1,580 to be charged the $0.20 fee or $316 USD.

 

Let's knock this up a little and make this a -real world- example for a
typical domain tasting Registrar over a period of 1 Qtr in 5 day
increments at 250,000 per period at about 18 periods.  That's approx
4,500,000 domains registered.  Drop 80% (conservative, probably more
like 87%) and that leaves 90,000 registered and 3,600,000 dropped.  Give
that taster their free 1% drop and that brings it to 356,400 domains
that will be charged at $0.20 or $71,280 for the quarter.  That will
deter tasters and kiters especially when they're just trying to break
even on the registration cost based on a estimates of clicks during a 12
month period.

 

Shane

 

 

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From: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:13 PM
To: Shane Kinsch; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments

 

Shane and all,

 

  The $0.20 fee for ever errantly registered Domain name after x% over,

does nothing or any real significance to thwart tasters, and nothing

at all for tasters that use certain means of tasting that beats the 5
day

AGP assinge limit.  But if your willing to live with it as a registrar
operator,

that's fine with me it's your nickel and your registrars rep.



        -----Original Message----- 
        From: Shane Kinsch 
        Sent: Mar 24, 2008 9:04 AM 
        To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments 
        
        
        

        As a legitimate registrar, we had perps fraudulently register
domains that we've caught within the first few days of registration
whether it be caught by the credit card company or other indications
that the registration is suspicious (such as in phishing, etc.).  The
grace period is good for this and I would much rather pay $0.20  vs.
loose the whole registration fee.

         

        The solution is simple... if your drop rate is above X%, then
you will be charged $0.20 for every drop.  That takes care of legitimate
registrars like mine and the kiters and tasters out there will make it
financially infeasible for them to continue to operate.

         

        Shane

         

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        From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of chris@xxxxxx
        Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 6:53 PM
        To: domain-tasting-motion@xxxxxxxxx
        Cc: GA
        Subject: [ga] domain tastinmg comments

         

        Charging 20 cents for dropped names is not going to get rid of
the big players in the domain tasting and domain kiting game. This just
puts out the message that it's ok to do domain tasting and kiting as
long as ICANN also profits from the practice. Elimination of the grace
period is the answer to domain tasting and kiting.

         

        It is very simple to understand for most of us and I find it
hard to believe claims by ICANN staff and board members that they don't
get it. When a user subscribes to an ezine or joins a forum, they fill
out a form. Then they get an email asking them to confirm that they
indeed want to join or subscribe. It's called double opt-in.

         

        Domain names can be registered the same exact way. You fill out
the forms to register your domain name. You get an email that asks, "Are
you sure you want to register this domain name?". It adds, please check
your spelling and everything because by clicking this link you agree
that you are registering the domain name at a cost of $xx and that there
are no refunds.

         

        That allows for any mistakes someone made when filling out the
registration form. It's simple enough for anyone to understand. It gives
the registrant a chance to change their mind satisfying buyer's remorse.
Show me any policy that allows five days for buyer's remorse on an item
that usually, with the exception of a couple of registrars, costs around
$10. 

         

        In addition to that, for every one domain name that is
legitimately dropped during the grace period, there are 100,000 dropped
by domain kiters and domain tasters. The grace period only serves those
in the business of domain tasting and domain kiting. Pretense that there
are other reasons to allow a five day grace period is just nonsense.

         

        Chris McElroy

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