RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments

[Shane Kinsch <shane.kinsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Wow, I would have to disagree.  Assume the x% is actually 1%.  Let’s do the 
math in this example:

 

Quarterly a Registrar registers: 2,000 new domains.  1% of 2,000 is 20.  So you 
have 20 that are “free” of the $0.20 fee.  Anything more than that you pay 
$0.20 per domain.  To better emphasize what I’m referring to, that previous 
example is of a typical legitimate registrar on the low end of transactions.

 

If you’re in the business of domain tasting / kiting, then your average % of 
drops per registration is going to be very high, possibly around 80% or more, 
but we’ll be conservative.   So back to the original minor example, 80% of 
2,000 is 1,600 dropped, subtract the free 1% or 20 domains, that leaves 1,580 
to be charged the $0.20 fee or $316 USD.

 

Let’s knock this up a little and make this a –real world- example for a typical 
domain tasting Registrar over a period of 1 Qtr in 5 day increments at 250,000 
per period at about 18 periods.  That’s approx 4,500,000 domains registered.  
Drop 80% (conservative, probably more like 87%) and that leaves 90,000 
registered and 3,600,000 dropped.  Give that taster their free 1% drop and that 
brings it to 356,400 domains that will be charged at $0.20 or $71,280 for the 
quarter.  That will deter tasters and kiters especially when they’re just 
trying to break even on the registration cost based on a estimates of clicks 
during a 12 month period.

 

Shane

 

 

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From: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:13 PM
To: Shane Kinsch; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments

 

Shane and all,

 

  The $0.20 fee for ever errantly registered Domain name after x% over,

does nothing or any real significance to thwart tasters, and nothing

at all for tasters that use certain means of tasting that beats the 5 day

AGP assinge limit.  But if your willing to live with it as a registrar operator,

that's fine with me it's your nickel and your registrars rep.



-----Original Message----- 
From: Shane Kinsch 
Sent: Mar 24, 2008 9:04 AM 
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments 




As a legitimate registrar, we had perps fraudulently register domains that 
we’ve caught within the first few days of registration whether it be caught by 
the credit card company or other indications that the registration is 
suspicious (such as in phishing, etc.).  The grace period is good for this and 
I would much rather pay $0.20  vs. loose the whole registration fee.

 

The solution is simple… if your drop rate is above X%, then you will be charged 
$0.20 for every drop.  That takes care of legitimate registrars like mine and 
the kiters and tasters out there will make it financially infeasible for them 
to continue to operate.

 

Shane

 

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From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
chris@xxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 6:53 PM
To: domain-tasting-motion@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: GA
Subject: [ga] domain tastinmg comments

 

Charging 20 cents for dropped names is not going to get rid of the big players 
in the domain tasting and domain kiting game. This just puts out the message 
that it's ok to do domain tasting and kiting as long as ICANN also profits from 
the practice. Elimination of the grace period is the answer to domain tasting 
and kiting.

 

It is very simple to understand for most of us and I find it hard to believe 
claims by ICANN staff and board members that they don't get it. When a user 
subscribes to an ezine or joins a forum, they fill out a form. Then they get an 
email asking them to confirm that they indeed want to join or subscribe. It's 
called double opt-in.

 

Domain names can be registered the same exact way. You fill out the forms to 
register your domain name. You get an email that asks, "Are you sure you want 
to register this domain name?". It adds, please check your spelling and 
everything because by clicking this link you agree that you are registering the 
domain name at a cost of $xx and that there are no refunds.

 

That allows for any mistakes someone made when filling out the registration 
form. It's simple enough for anyone to understand. It gives the registrant a 
chance to change their mind satisfying buyer's remorse. Show me any policy that 
allows five days for buyer's remorse on an item that usually, with the 
exception of a couple of registrars, costs around $10. 

 

In addition to that, for every one domain name that is legitimately dropped 
during the grace period, there are 100,000 dropped by domain kiters and domain 
tasters. The grace period only serves those in the business of domain tasting 
and domain kiting. Pretense that there are other reasons to allow a five day 
grace period is just nonsense.

 

Chris McElroy

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