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RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
- To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
- From: Shane Kinsch <shane.kinsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:57:20 -0500
Wow, I would have to disagree. Assume the x% is actually 1%. Let’s do the
math in this example:
Quarterly a Registrar registers: 2,000 new domains. 1% of 2,000 is 20. So you
have 20 that are “free” of the $0.20 fee. Anything more than that you pay
$0.20 per domain. To better emphasize what I’m referring to, that previous
example is of a typical legitimate registrar on the low end of transactions.
If you’re in the business of domain tasting / kiting, then your average % of
drops per registration is going to be very high, possibly around 80% or more,
but we’ll be conservative. So back to the original minor example, 80% of
2,000 is 1,600 dropped, subtract the free 1% or 20 domains, that leaves 1,580
to be charged the $0.20 fee or $316 USD.
Let’s knock this up a little and make this a –real world- example for a typical
domain tasting Registrar over a period of 1 Qtr in 5 day increments at 250,000
per period at about 18 periods. That’s approx 4,500,000 domains registered.
Drop 80% (conservative, probably more like 87%) and that leaves 90,000
registered and 3,600,000 dropped. Give that taster their free 1% drop and that
brings it to 356,400 domains that will be charged at $0.20 or $71,280 for the
quarter. That will deter tasters and kiters especially when they’re just
trying to break even on the registration cost based on a estimates of clicks
during a 12 month period.
Shane
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From: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:13 PM
To: Shane Kinsch; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
Shane and all,
The $0.20 fee for ever errantly registered Domain name after x% over,
does nothing or any real significance to thwart tasters, and nothing
at all for tasters that use certain means of tasting that beats the 5 day
AGP assinge limit. But if your willing to live with it as a registrar operator,
that's fine with me it's your nickel and your registrars rep.
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Kinsch
Sent: Mar 24, 2008 9:04 AM
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
As a legitimate registrar, we had perps fraudulently register domains that
we’ve caught within the first few days of registration whether it be caught by
the credit card company or other indications that the registration is
suspicious (such as in phishing, etc.). The grace period is good for this and
I would much rather pay $0.20 vs. loose the whole registration fee.
The solution is simple… if your drop rate is above X%, then you will be charged
$0.20 for every drop. That takes care of legitimate registrars like mine and
the kiters and tasters out there will make it financially infeasible for them
to continue to operate.
Shane
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From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
chris@xxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 6:53 PM
To: domain-tasting-motion@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: GA
Subject: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
Charging 20 cents for dropped names is not going to get rid of the big players
in the domain tasting and domain kiting game. This just puts out the message
that it's ok to do domain tasting and kiting as long as ICANN also profits from
the practice. Elimination of the grace period is the answer to domain tasting
and kiting.
It is very simple to understand for most of us and I find it hard to believe
claims by ICANN staff and board members that they don't get it. When a user
subscribes to an ezine or joins a forum, they fill out a form. Then they get an
email asking them to confirm that they indeed want to join or subscribe. It's
called double opt-in.
Domain names can be registered the same exact way. You fill out the forms to
register your domain name. You get an email that asks, "Are you sure you want
to register this domain name?". It adds, please check your spelling and
everything because by clicking this link you agree that you are registering the
domain name at a cost of $xx and that there are no refunds.
That allows for any mistakes someone made when filling out the registration
form. It's simple enough for anyone to understand. It gives the registrant a
chance to change their mind satisfying buyer's remorse. Show me any policy that
allows five days for buyer's remorse on an item that usually, with the
exception of a couple of registrars, costs around $10.
In addition to that, for every one domain name that is legitimately dropped
during the grace period, there are 100,000 dropped by domain kiters and domain
tasters. The grace period only serves those in the business of domain tasting
and domain kiting. Pretense that there are other reasons to allow a five day
grace period is just nonsense.
Chris McElroy
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