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Re: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
- To: "Shane Kinsch" <shane.kinsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
- From: <chris@xxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:28:46 -0400
So, you are saying that someone that misspelled a domain name getting their
money back is a really really important issue while domain tasting only is AS
important as protecting the poor spellers rather than being a much much more
important issue?
Double opt-in would take care of user error during registrations. Eliminating
the AGP will eliminate domain tasting and domain kiting.
Hmmm . . . I know a good strategy! Let's all keep making this more complicated
than it is so nothing at all will end up being done as usual.
Simple problems need simple solutions.
Chris McElroy
----- Original Message -----
From: Shane Kinsch
To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:57 PM
Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
Wow, I would have to disagree. Assume the x% is actually 1%. Let’s do the
math in this example:
Quarterly a Registrar registers: 2,000 new domains. 1% of 2,000 is 20. So
you have 20 that are “free” of the $0.20 fee. Anything more than that you pay
$0.20 per domain. To better emphasize what I’m referring to, that previous
example is of a typical legitimate registrar on the low end of transactions.
If you’re in the business of domain tasting / kiting, then your average % of
drops per registration is going to be very high, possibly around 80% or more,
but we’ll be conservative. So back to the original minor example, 80% of
2,000 is 1,600 dropped, subtract the free 1% or 20 domains, that leaves 1,580
to be charged the $0.20 fee or $316 USD.
Let’s knock this up a little and make this a –real world- example for a
typical domain tasting Registrar over a period of 1 Qtr in 5 day increments at
250,000 per period at about 18 periods. That’s approx 4,500,000 domains
registered. Drop 80% (conservative, probably more like 87%) and that leaves
90,000 registered and 3,600,000 dropped. Give that taster their free 1% drop
and that brings it to 356,400 domains that will be charged at $0.20 or $71,280
for the quarter. That will deter tasters and kiters especially when they’re
just trying to break even on the registration cost based on a estimates of
clicks during a 12 month period.
Shane
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From: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:13 PM
To: Shane Kinsch; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
Shane and all,
The $0.20 fee for ever errantly registered Domain name after x% over,
does nothing or any real significance to thwart tasters, and nothing
at all for tasters that use certain means of tasting that beats the 5 day
AGP assinge limit. But if your willing to live with it as a registrar
operator,
that's fine with me it's your nickel and your registrars rep.
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Kinsch
Sent: Mar 24, 2008 9:04 AM
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
As a legitimate registrar, we had perps fraudulently register domains that
we’ve caught within the first few days of registration whether it be caught by
the credit card company or other indications that the registration is
suspicious (such as in phishing, etc.). The grace period is good for this and
I would much rather pay $0.20 vs. loose the whole registration fee.
The solution is simple… if your drop rate is above X%, then you will be
charged $0.20 for every drop. That takes care of legitimate registrars like
mine and the kiters and tasters out there will make it financially infeasible
for them to continue to operate.
Shane
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From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
chris@xxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 6:53 PM
To: domain-tasting-motion@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: GA
Subject: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
Charging 20 cents for dropped names is not going to get rid of the big
players in the domain tasting and domain kiting game. This just puts out the
message that it's ok to do domain tasting and kiting as long as ICANN also
profits from the practice. Elimination of the grace period is the answer to
domain tasting and kiting.
It is very simple to understand for most of us and I find it hard to
believe claims by ICANN staff and board members that they don't get it. When a
user subscribes to an ezine or joins a forum, they fill out a form. Then they
get an email asking them to confirm that they indeed want to join or subscribe.
It's called double opt-in.
Domain names can be registered the same exact way. You fill out the forms
to register your domain name. You get an email that asks, "Are you sure you
want to register this domain name?". It adds, please check your spelling and
everything because by clicking this link you agree that you are registering the
domain name at a cost of $xx and that there are no refunds.
That allows for any mistakes someone made when filling out the registration
form. It's simple enough for anyone to understand. It gives the registrant a
chance to change their mind satisfying buyer's remorse. Show me any policy that
allows five days for buyer's remorse on an item that usually, with the
exception of a couple of registrars, costs around $10.
In addition to that, for every one domain name that is legitimately dropped
during the grace period, there are 100,000 dropped by domain kiters and domain
tasters. The grace period only serves those in the business of domain tasting
and domain kiting. Pretense that there are other reasons to allow a five day
grace period is just nonsense.
Chris McElroy
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