Re: [ga] domain tastinmg comments

[<chris@xxxxxx>]

So, you are saying that someone that misspelled a domain name getting their 
money back is a really really important issue while domain tasting only is AS 
important as protecting the poor spellers rather than being a much much more 
important issue?

Double opt-in would take care of user error during registrations. Eliminating 
the AGP will eliminate domain tasting and domain kiting. 

Hmmm . . . I know a good strategy! Let's all keep making this more complicated 
than it is so nothing at all will end up being done as usual.

Simple problems need simple solutions.

Chris McElroy

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Shane Kinsch 
  To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:57 PM
  Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments


  Wow, I would have to disagree.  Assume the x% is actually 1%.  Let’s do the 
math in this example:

   

  Quarterly a Registrar registers: 2,000 new domains.  1% of 2,000 is 20.  So 
you have 20 that are “free” of the $0.20 fee.  Anything more than that you pay 
$0.20 per domain.  To better emphasize what I’m referring to, that previous 
example is of a typical legitimate registrar on the low end of transactions.

   

  If you’re in the business of domain tasting / kiting, then your average % of 
drops per registration is going to be very high, possibly around 80% or more, 
but we’ll be conservative.   So back to the original minor example, 80% of 
2,000 is 1,600 dropped, subtract the free 1% or 20 domains, that leaves 1,580 
to be charged the $0.20 fee or $316 USD.

   

  Let’s knock this up a little and make this a –real world- example for a 
typical domain tasting Registrar over a period of 1 Qtr in 5 day increments at 
250,000 per period at about 18 periods.  That’s approx 4,500,000 domains 
registered.  Drop 80% (conservative, probably more like 87%) and that leaves 
90,000 registered and 3,600,000 dropped.  Give that taster their free 1% drop 
and that brings it to 356,400 domains that will be charged at $0.20 or $71,280 
for the quarter.  That will deter tasters and kiters especially when they’re 
just trying to break even on the registration cost based on a estimates of 
clicks during a 12 month period.

   

  Shane

   

   

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  From: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
  Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:13 PM
  To: Shane Kinsch; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments

   

  Shane and all,

   

    The $0.20 fee for ever errantly registered Domain name after x% over,

  does nothing or any real significance to thwart tasters, and nothing

  at all for tasters that use certain means of tasting that beats the 5 day

  AGP assinge limit.  But if your willing to live with it as a registrar 
operator,

  that's fine with me it's your nickel and your registrars rep.



    -----Original Message----- 
    From: Shane Kinsch 
    Sent: Mar 24, 2008 9:04 AM 
    To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Subject: RE: [ga] domain tastinmg comments 




    As a legitimate registrar, we had perps fraudulently register domains that 
we’ve caught within the first few days of registration whether it be caught by 
the credit card company or other indications that the registration is 
suspicious (such as in phishing, etc.).  The grace period is good for this and 
I would much rather pay $0.20  vs. loose the whole registration fee.

     

    The solution is simple… if your drop rate is above X%, then you will be 
charged $0.20 for every drop.  That takes care of legitimate registrars like 
mine and the kiters and tasters out there will make it financially infeasible 
for them to continue to operate.

     

    Shane

     

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    From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
chris@xxxxxx
    Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 6:53 PM
    To: domain-tasting-motion@xxxxxxxxx
    Cc: GA
    Subject: [ga] domain tastinmg comments

     

    Charging 20 cents for dropped names is not going to get rid of the big 
players in the domain tasting and domain kiting game. This just puts out the 
message that it's ok to do domain tasting and kiting as long as ICANN also 
profits from the practice. Elimination of the grace period is the answer to 
domain tasting and kiting.

     

    It is very simple to understand for most of us and I find it hard to 
believe claims by ICANN staff and board members that they don't get it. When a 
user subscribes to an ezine or joins a forum, they fill out a form. Then they 
get an email asking them to confirm that they indeed want to join or subscribe. 
It's called double opt-in.

     

    Domain names can be registered the same exact way. You fill out the forms 
to register your domain name. You get an email that asks, "Are you sure you 
want to register this domain name?". It adds, please check your spelling and 
everything because by clicking this link you agree that you are registering the 
domain name at a cost of $xx and that there are no refunds.

     

    That allows for any mistakes someone made when filling out the registration 
form. It's simple enough for anyone to understand. It gives the registrant a 
chance to change their mind satisfying buyer's remorse. Show me any policy that 
allows five days for buyer's remorse on an item that usually, with the 
exception of a couple of registrars, costs around $10. 

     

    In addition to that, for every one domain name that is legitimately dropped 
during the grace period, there are 100,000 dropped by domain kiters and domain 
tasters. The grace period only serves those in the business of domain tasting 
and domain kiting. Pretense that there are other reasons to allow a five day 
grace period is just nonsense.

     

    Chris McElroy

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