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RE: [ga] List Rules 9GA Chair)

  • To: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, terastra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "'Hugh Dierker'" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: RE: [ga] List Rules 9GA Chair)
  • From: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:44:56 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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<P>Debbie and all,</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>&nbsp; How do you take someting offlist that has already been posted to it?</P>
<P>In the case of libel to deleat any such refrence or even to infer doing so</P>
<P>is a clear violation of US law and a disruption of chainof evidance.</P>
<P>Seems your remarks in response below suggest doing so.&nbsp; </P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>&nbsp; Private eMails being made public:&nbsp; I agree with Debbie to the extent</P>
<P>that those private emails have not before hand been sent to list </P>
<P>members offlist.&nbsp; If this is even suspected, posting those remarks</P>
<P>are in fact a matter of choice.&nbsp; However this should be left up to</P>
<P>the best judgment of each individual poster/list member on a case</P>
<P>by case basis, otherwise restricting speach in this manner on a public</P>
<P>list from private communication sharing disrupts an otherwise free flow</P>
<P>of information and perhaps important information.&nbsp; Such is also</P>
<P>a form of Select Censorship.&nbsp; All forms of arbitrary Censorship are</P>
<P>wrong, considered wrong under UN resolution, and US law.<BR><BR><BR></P>
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<DIV><SPAN class=813051312-14072007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Joop</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=813051312-14072007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=813051312-14072007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>&gt;<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>What about a libel-victim? <BR>Should he threaten privately?</FONT><BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=813051312-14072007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I would hope that the Chair or the List Monitor&nbsp;would intervene should any libellous posts be made and the offender would incur sanctions.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;However, any actions for libel should be taken off list.&nbsp; It is my hope that this forum can operate without behaviour that is likely to instigate such actions and this is why it is important to have rules for participation.<SPAN class=813051312-14072007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The&nbsp;point of updating the rules is to try to steer people away from such behaviour for fear they would lose their posting rights.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=813051312-14072007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=813051312-14072007></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=813051312-14072007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=813051312-14072007>&gt;<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>How about private threats of clearly frivolous legal action?<BR>I have received such in the past.<BR>Can a victim make such private mail public on the list?</FONT><BR></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=813051312-14072007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=813051312-14072007>Private threats of clearly frivolous action should be treated as frivolous and I find the best way to deal with these is to ignore them. However, from past experience, it can be helpful for the victim of such threats to post an Off Topic [OT] notification to the list especially if the member feels that other list members may be able to assist.&nbsp; I certainly think that the Chair and List Monitor should be made aware of the situation in case it spills over onto the list.&nbsp; I do not think that private mail should be made public.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=813051312-14072007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=813051312-14072007></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=813051312-14072007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=813051312-14072007>Feel free to rewrite this section within the rules including any of the above or any further ideas you may have.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=813051312-14072007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=813051312-14072007></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=813051312-14072007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=813051312-14072007>Best</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=813051312-14072007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=813051312-14072007></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=813051312-14072007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=813051312-14072007>Debbie</DIV></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Joop Teernstra<BR><B>Sent:</B> 14 July 2007 03:27<BR><B>To:</B> Hugh Dierker<BR><B>Cc:</B> ga<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] List Rules 9GA Chair)<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>At 01:05 p.m. 14/07/2007, you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">To date we have received no substantive contribution. We have recieved negative comments by Jeff Williams but no proposed improvements.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Evolving rules may be found here;<BR><FONT face=arial color=#003399 size=2><A href="http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules.htm";>http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules.htm</A></FONT><BR>&nbsp;<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Hello Mr Chair,<BR><BR>New is&nbsp; the rule about not indulging on-list in legal threats.<BR><BR>What about a libel-victim? <BR>Should he threaten privately?<BR><BR>How about private threats of clearly frivolous legal action?<BR>I have received such in the past.<BR>Can a victim make such private mail public on the list?<BR><BR>I admit, thought, the proposed rules might help crimp the style of our most prolific poster here. <BR><BR><BR><BR><X-SIGSEP>
<P></X-SIGSEP>-joop-</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Regards,<BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; Abraham Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very<BR>often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt<BR><BR>"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v. Carroll Towing&nbsp; (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated 1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of<BR>Information Network Eng.&nbsp; INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Registered Email addr with the USPS Contact Number: 214-244-4827<BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE></ZZZBODY></ZZZHTML></BLOCKQUOTE></B!
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