RE: [ga] Public Comment Period: NARALO MOU

[jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Jefsey and all,

  I recognize that sense the defeat of Napolion, the
international recognition of French as the world
recognized language of deplomacy has been waining
to the point now that primary french speakers or
those whom speak French as nearly as well as they do
their national language has nearly disappeared. Such
is the lessons of history.  No offense to you JFC,
or my French relatives or the French/Quebecan 
people.  I do hope native French speakers get over
it sometime soon or in my lifetime.  But perhaps
the Corsicans will never do so...  

  I think what seemingly is being searched for hear
as Debbies remarks indicate to me anyway, is an international
language.  Well there is none, yet there have been efforts
if creating one.  So for now, English is the Internationally
recognized language.

  This will make the 3rd time we have had this debate
on this forum sense its creation.  Was there some
reason that is relevant to anything that indicates
this as necessary or even a good use of anyones time?

-----Original Message-----
>From: JFC Morfin <jefsey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Jul 14, 2007 8:12 AM
>To: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, roberto@xxxxxxxxx, 'Jeff Williams' <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Cc: martin.boyle@xxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ga] Public Comment Period:  NARALO MOU
>
>At 13:10 14/07/2007, Debbie Garside wrote:
>>The problem is, where do you stop.  India has 22 Official languages.  Canada
>>has Ineut and Cree in some provinces.
>
>The problem is pretty simple to address, because it is networked with 
>many other technical, political, societal habitus, agreements, 
>treaties. There are several definitions of what a language may be 
>that may conflict. There are clear definitions of language usages.
>
>I suppose that we should ask Martin Boyle you know well. Martin is 
>the GAC UK representative, and certainly one of the world/European 
>top specialists in that area (he specialized in e-commerce, 
>represented EU during the Tunis round, and through his agreement with 
>David Gross co-fathered/permitted this way the current IGF formula). 
>He knows very well the ICANN community.
>
>IMHO the target is to be objectively and legally more efficient. This 
>probably means two main things: to respect sovereignties (because 
>they structure the whole human society) and to prevent languages from 
>being perceived or used as technical barriers to trade, along WTO rules.
>
>This is the action point documented in my 
>http://mltf.org/070622-prop.pdf open business coopetition proposal 
>which raises the most support. Comments show that the problem can 
>both be not-enough and too-much languages. A position English mother 
>tongue people may have difficulty to feel: beyond a reasonable number 
>of languages (6 for the UN, far more for trade), if there is no 
>direct translation system permitting face to face dialogues, too many 
>languages are perceived as a way to promote English as a lingua 
>franca (a koine).
>
>This is a problem, you know very well, is a conceptual confusion 
>between "content languages" as per ISO TC37 about terminology, 
>lingistics, semantics, pragmatics, etc. and "administrative/business 
>languages", as per ISO TC46 that are languages the required use of 
>which, in the considered country or area, is not a WTO technical 
>barrier to trade.
>
>Best.
>jfc
>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roberto Gaetano
>> > Sent: 14 July 2007 08:13
>> > To: 'JFC Morfin'; 'Jeff Williams'; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: RE: [ga] Public Comment Period: NARALO MOU
>> >
>> > JFC Morfin wrote:
>>>Correct. I am afraid you miss ".pm". Definitly North American.
>>>Definitly French as an official language.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, in 2003 .pm (Saint Pierre et Miquelon) was
>> > reassigned to the European region, being a French Overseas
>> > Territory (or Department, I might be wrong, JFC will know
>> > better than me).
>
>Territory. However, the definition of ICANN regions seemed to be 
>under reevaluation? As a French @large, I am certainly in favor of 
>ICANN regions to be based on geography as the Internet priority is to 
>the users and real usages, before regalian issues. This is a 
>consequence (IMHO) of the importance acknowledged to the civil and 
>business societies.
>
>> >
>> > But nevertheless I share JFC's reasonment, also the fact that
>> > language is a local cultural element often reflected in local rules.
>> > For instance, Italy has one single official language, which
>> > as you could guess is italian. However, in some regions,
>> > local languages are accepted also for official documents,
>> > like, for instance, French in Val d'Aosta and German in Alto
>> > Adige (SÃdtirol).
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Roberto
>> >
>> >
>>
>>>>when in a Spain or any
>>>> > other Spanish speaking country, speak Spanish.
>>>
>>>Correct. This then means that the issue is not the official 
>>>language, but the languages being used. This is important as the 
>>>USA have no official language.
>>>
>>>Louisiana (English and French), New Mexico (English and Spanish), 
>>>and Hawai'i (English and Hawaiian) are officially bilingual. As 
>>>well as three US territories: American Samoa (Samoan and English), 
>>>Guam (English and Chamorro), and Puerto Rico (Spanish and English). 
>>>Northern Marianas Islands (English, Chamorro, and Carolinian) is 
>>>even tri-lingual.  Miami recognises English, French Creole, and 
>>>Spanish as official government languages.
>>>
>>>jfc


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