RE: [ga] Public Comment Period: NARALO MOU

[jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Debbie and all,

  Dr. Dierker "Should" be aware of the long arm
statutes which do in the case of ICANN, apply.  Ergo
your response is invalid on that basis alone.  

  Reason is a subjective matter, as I believe you know,
so is rationality.  When making or casting false
aspersions however indirect, I believe does not
meet the bar for reasonable or rational.  I mearly
quoted case law at this time.  Refute it if you will.
But it is a matter or record none the less.  And you
and I do live under the rule of law, like it or not.
Sometimes I like it, and sometimes I don't.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Jul 13, 2007 5:19 AM
>To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ga] Public Comment Period:  NARALO MOU
>
>Jeff
> 
>I think you are taking this to unnecessary extremes.  As I do not reside in
>the US I am not governed by US law and thus your intimation of fraud in
>relation to the proposed list rules is unjust.  I am, however, governed by
>the laws of reasonableness and rationality.
>
>Best
>
>Debbie 
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
>> Sent: 13 July 2007 12:52
>> To: Debbie Garside
>> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [ga] Public Comment Period: NARALO MOU
>> 
>> Debbie and all,
>> 
>>   Unfortunately this is a URL listing i.e. web address, and 
>> therefore is not *Authoratative* in accordance with US law at 
>> the moment.
>> Secondly, your posting of this link is arguably in violation of the
>> *Proposed* rules which you and Dr. Dierker are wanting to sell.
>> 
>> However I shall have my sect. send off a notarized letter 
>> requesting confirmation and the authoratativeness of the link 
>> you provided.
>> I will scan and post any response if forthcoming.  If none is 
>> received, I believe the link would legally have to be 
>> something less than *Authoratative* under US law < see 
>> Loraine decision for non authoritative reference, see: 
>> http://www.findlaw.com/ search key words as are appropriate 
>> >, and treated accordingly by law abiding US citizens.
>> 
>>   Address:
>> 344 Slater Street, 3rd Floor
>>  Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0T8
>> 
>> 
>> Debbie Garside wrote:
>> 
>> > I have no qualms in providing an authoritative reference for the 
>> > official languages of Canada.
>> >
>> > http://www.ocol-clo.gc.ca/html/index_e.php
>> >
>> > Best
>> >
>> > Debbie
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Williams
>> > > Sent: 13 July 2007 09:14
>> > > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > Subject: Re: [ga] Public Comment Period: NARALO MOU
>> > >
>> > > Kim and all,
>> > >
>> > >   I believe Dr. Dierker has a concern regarding "officialdom"
>> > > as it implies a legality.  So until we have some 
>> agreement by vote 
>> > > of the list members, which we do not now, I don't want to offend 
>> > > anyone by declaring or providing reference for anything 
>> which would 
>> > > even imply authoritative in any manner.
>> > >
>> > >   Secondly, recently in the "Loraine" case I believe the 6th US 
>> > > District court of Appeals, Judge Grimm ruled effectively 
>> there are 
>> > > no references on the internet that would be authoritative as I 
>> > > believe your use and meaning of the term here.  Although 
>> I disagree 
>> > > with Judge Grimm's ruling, I believe for me to provide 
>> any reference 
>> > > as "authoritative"
>> > > could be considered a willful act of fraud on my part.  So your 
>> > > request *as stated* makes answering it directly in conflict with 
>> > > that ruling.  Hence I cannot ethically provide the answer you 
>> > > requested.
>> > >
>> > >   Btw, I also noticed, Roberto also refrained from providing any 
>> > > "authoritative" reference for his claim.. He may be right 
>> and I may 
>> > > be wrong or vice versa.  After searching I did find two 
>> references 
>> > > that contradicted each other as to this issue, using ask.com of 
>> > > course.  >:)
>> > >
>> > >   Frankly however I fail to see the relevance of this 
>> issue to the 
>> > > GA, which is yet another stated concern of the chair.
>> > > As such, refraining form such relevance, however 
>> mitigating one may 
>> > > believe the relevance of this issue is or is not, I believe would 
>> > > require a measured consensus, i.e. a vote by the GA 
>> members once we 
>> > > have a viable voting method agreed upon.
>> > >
>> > >   So in conclusion, I am sorry I cannot more directly answer your 
>> > > valid request, as the chair, and lack of a defined 
>> agreeable process 
>> > > and rules, are not yet in place for the NEW GA by which I 
>> *might* be 
>> > > able to do so.
>> > >
>> > > Kim Davies wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Quoting Jeff Williams on Thursday July 12, 2007:
>> > > > |
>> > > > | > And Canada happens to have two official languages,
>> > > English and French.
>> > > > |
>> > > > | Incorrect, Canadas official language is still English.
>> > > >
>> > > > Can you provide the authoritative reference? The Official 
>> > > > Languages Act of Canada concurs with Robert's assessment.
>> > > >
>> > > > kim
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
>> > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders
>> > > strong!) "Obediance of the law is the greatest freedom" -
>> > >    Abraham Lincoln
>> > >
>> > > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not 
>> with what is 
>> > > very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>> > >
>> > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the 
>> burden, B; 
>> > > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
>> > > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
>> > > United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] 
>> > > ===============================================================
>> > > Updated 1/26/04
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>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> --
>> Jeffrey A. Williams
>> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders 
>> strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
>>    Abraham Lincoln
>> 
>> "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with 
>> what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>> 
>> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the 
>> burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L 
>> multiplied by
>> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
>> United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] 
>> ===============================================================
>> Updated 1/26/04
>> CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security 
>> IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
>> ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail 
>> jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx  Registered Email addr with the USPS 
>> Contact Number: 214-244-4827

Regards,
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very
often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability
depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of
Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Registered Email addr with the USPS Contact Number: 214-244-4827