Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council/Communication

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dr. Dierker and all,

  As you state it here and in this response, I agree we are of one mind.

  My larger point was also intended to address communication
with the GNSO council via the council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx which
from Avri's original response to my original request for the ability
to post directly to that eMail address.  It seems from the many
responses on this thread that Roberto also now supports Avri's
position, leaving us and users/registrants no "Viable" means
in which GNSO council communication cans be reasonably
achieved as Danny has many times has shown and proved up
relatively well.  From where I sit, and I believe any reasonable
individual sits, that attitude and action/answer is not even
close to being reasonable and therefor should not be expectable
after 8+ years.

Hugh Dierker wrote:

>    I think I am safe here in declaring that we are of one mind. Speech
> may and in fact should vary greatly and be tolerated. As for etiquette
> and list rules we may be as diplomatic as we wish but should be clear
> and concise as to our position and decisions.
>
>   If we find that we must be offensive then we should point that in
> the direction of an issue or principle and not toward an individual.
> History should be learned from and not repeated by failure to let go
> of old animosities.
>
>   Please feel free to let me know if you think this is wrong. It may
> end up in our list rules as guiding principles for posting.
>
>   Eric
>
> Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>   Dr. Dierker and all,
>
> Glad there is some lawyer left in you. I guess what matters more is
> what kind of lawyer, the shyster type or the more thoughtful reasoned
> type. I believe Gerry Spence, a lawyer of unprecedented renown
> would put it this way: "Where's the beef, Mr. Dierker"? But of
> course that in your and Debbies decided jaundra, would not meet
> your standard for political correctness I suppose?
>
> Even more interesting as Dr. Joe was your choice as moderator, and
> the tone of your response below which would seem to indicate whether
> or not a consensus exists, you wouldn't hesitate in declaring one as
> a matter of self interest, if no other reason exists. However that may
>
> or may not be only my perception given the attitude you decidedly
> noted
> in your response and/or remarks in Dr. Joes direction. >:/
>
> Fortunately I find Dr. Joe's candor well developed and refreshing, and
>
> his sense of humor a display of his vast obvious intelligence and
> wisdom.
>
> So thank you for making Dr. Joes, Danny's, and my point. Redirect,
> Dr. Dierker?
>
> Hugh Dierker wrote:
>
> > There is nothing that would stop this chair from getting a
> > consensus related in no uncertain terms. I must say that while I get
>
> > Joe's point, I must have a bit of the lawyer in me, as I prefer to
> > tell you to pound sand and eat ----, with a smile on my face and an
> > outstretched hand.
> >
> > Debbie Garside wrote:
> > The way it should work, IMHO, is if the Chair perceives
> > consensus from the members of this forum on an issue of import he
> can
> > inform
> > the members of the Council/Board/Staff.
> >
> > Whilst on this subject, members of this list should go through the
> > Chair -
> > that is what they are for. It is quite unnecessary to copy the
> > board/staff
> > into various mails and it just waters down any issues of importance
> > the
> > Chair may raise on this groups behalf.
> >
> > If you/we could just clean up our act, devise the rules and
> > regulations for
> > contribution to this list (and stick to them) we might find we MAY
> be
> > taken
> > seriously and have significant input as an expert body. I keep
> saying
> > this
> > and you are not listening. If I cannot keep up with the volume of
> > emails I
> > don't see how any other professional can.
> >
> > I call upon the Chair and the List Monitor to bring this forum to
> > order.
> > (Please :-)) Let us try to find order within chaos and a way around
> > this
> > hermeneutic circle.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Debbie
> > *Shannon and Weaver as applied to human communication
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Williams
> > > Sent: 10 July 2007 06:17
> > > To: ga
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council
> > >
> > > Dr. Baptista and all,
> > >
> > > Here here! Given the length and/or dissertation form of
> > > her answer, it read more like and excuse rather than an
> explanation.
> >
> > > I am glad you, Dr. Joe, recognized that in your remarks below.
> > > Seems Chuck and Dr. Dierker didn't recognize same, or wished
> > > to be tricky in not directly reveling that they had. >;)
> > >
> > > Ahhh, isn't nuance a wonderful thing! >;) I often equate
> > > nuance with CYA and/or an over indulgence in political
> > > correctness when a answer to a request is made, and good
> > > direct answer is not *reasonably* available.
> > >
> > > Joe Baptista wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Jeff,
>
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Registered Email addr with the USPS
Contact Number: 214-244-4827