Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Chuck and all

  Than say "no" and give a brief explanation.  Instead not a
definitive answer yes or no, only a dissertation as to what
she and/or the GNSO council wishes to use council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
for as if a dissertation was needed.  For me such a dissertation
isn't and wasn't needed, and I doubt same was needed for
anyone else on the GA.  Secondly, giving yet again a long
answer seems a bit suspicious when a simple "yes or no"
would have answered the request or at least been the first
part of the answer.  However I did translate Avri's answer
to mean no as far as she was concerned.  And I expected
a rather lengthy dissertation in the negative as her answer.

   So now we know that transparency  of which Paul Twomey
suggested is of only the value of which restriction of access
and corresponding eMail list restrictions to the GNSO, will
be *allowed* by the GNSO council.  I find that yet again,
more than a bit disingenuous, and as such, disabling and
correspondingly dysfunctional which is therefore not in
keeping with the MOU.

Gomes, Chuck wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> I am not sure why you concluded that Avri did not answer your request:
> She said, and I repeat, "I also believe that if the council is (to) get
> work done, it is critical that the council list remain a council
> member's list with posting only by council, liaisons and relevant
> staff."  I certainly do not mean to be flip, but I understand that to be
> a 'no' with regard to your request.
>
> Chuck Gomes
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:53 PM
> > To: ga
> > Subject: Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council
> >
> > Avri and all,
> >
> >   The GNSO council archives is already available to all to
> > read.  That was not the nature of my request.
> > So again, my request which given your response it seems you
> > missed or did not understand correctly was: "I would like to
> > ask you kindly as the new GNSO chair if it would be possible
> > to open up posting by anyone to the GNSO council's eMail
> > address, council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx?"
> >
> >   Transparency and openness is not a half way thing, it
> > either exists on a two way basis or it does not exist.  The
> > bit is on or it is off.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Jul 9, 2007 11:36 AM
> > >To: ga <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Subject: Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council
> > >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >While I think it is critical that the GNSO council list be open for
> > >reading by all, as well as meeting calls being recorded etc,
> >  as part
> > >of our effort to be transparent, I also believe that if the
> > council is
> > >get work done, it is critical that the council list remain a council
> > >member's list with posting only by council, liaisons and relevant
> > >staff.
> > >
> > >I also beleive that this does not ignore the requirement for
> > openness.
> > >Not only is the GA list open to all, and followed by many in the
> > >council, the board and ICANN staff, but there are open consultations
> > >that allow for input into the process and there is the recent
> > >introduction of open GNSO Working Groups.  And while I am
> > sure measures
> > >for openness and transparency can be improved, and while I
> > expect the
> > >Board's Governance Committee Working Group on GNSO improvement to
> > >suggest ways for further openness and transparency in their
> > report, I
> > >also believe we must find the proper balance between trying
> > to get work
> > >done in a timely manner (still a goal to be sure) and
> > >listening/interacting to all voices on the issues.
> > >
> > >thanks
> > >a.
> > >
> > >
> > >On 9 jul 2007, at 03.58, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > >
> > >...
> > >
> > >> In that regard,
> > >> I would like to ask you kindly as the new GNSO chair if it
> > would be
> > >> possible to open up posting by anyone to the GNSO council's eMail
> > >> address, council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx?
> > >> In the sprit of openness and transparency, this would be
> > appropriate
> > >> as well as in abiding by ICANN's bylaws.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you for your consideration in this request, and
> > again thank you
> > >> for chiming in.  >:)
> > >>
> > >
> > Regards,
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
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Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
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IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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